They don't have any defensemen that move the puck forward apart from Salomonsson, who has been injured.
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AtomicJets
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100%. I'd also add that the goaltending has been sub par and we don't really have any offensive play driving veterans. But it all comes back to the defence. If Coghlan had been with the Moose all season and Salo stayed healthy, I think things would look very different.
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Lack of experienced veterans, former nhl players to provide a solid base. You can't load an AHL team with 20-22 year olds and get anywhere.
The Moose D is terrible...especially when you remove Coughlin and Salomonsson. Goaltending is also 80s NHL brutal. They do have some decent vet forwards but they're all having awful seasons. The young forwards are drowning.
He's been surpassed by two other centermen on the depth chart, not getting the same opportunity as last season.
This is the right answer. The team is all about developing young prospects. There is next to none good prime age AHL career guys that help you win.
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Can't do it in the NHL either. That's why the first batch of Oilers top 5 picks (Hall, Ebberle, RNH, etc) were so shitty
They brought in some character guys but the young stars never bought in. With the Moose I think it's more just a talent (or lack thereof) thing
Maybe the environment down there will prompt the org to get those kids up on the big team as soon as rosters expand. What's worse... not playing games but being up in the show getting NHL money and practicing and soaking in a winning environment or being down on the moose playing big minutes but having to live through that hell
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Hard to say really. He's third line center on the best team in the league and his value has always been his defensive play. Point production is down but he's still playing a lot, wearing an A and getting the tough matchups every game. I don't know if he's going to be an NHL player but if he does make it, it'll be as a bottom six checking forward. He's got the size and the energy.
The D is a disaster, but only a couple of actual key prospects there. Up front they have JAD, AJF, Toninato, Suess, Ford, Shaw. The problem is that everyone is having a career worst season. This Moose team isn't just bad, they are almost pathetic.
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I think it gets interesting if you break down goals by NHL contracts (including two-ways) and AHL contracts.
Scoring lead would be (parentheses is games)
1. Ford, undrafted, 8 goals (34)
2. Chibrikov, 2nd Rd. 2021, 7g (30)
3. Shaw, UFA, 7g (34)
4. Toninato, UFA, 6g (25)
5. Salomonsson, 2nd Rd, 2022, 3g (17)
Lucius, 1st Rd, 2021, 3g (20)
Lambert, 1st Rd, 2022, 3g (28)
AJF, waivers, 3g (34)
9. JAD, UFA, 2g (24)
Lundmark, 2nd Rd, 2019, 2g (31)
11. Coghlan, Trade, 1g (4)
And you can add castaways Kuzmin and NIkkanen for a goal each, Torgersson, zilch, Wagner (15), Zhilkin (16) and Bauer (28) haven't been on the scoreboard either.
That's 47 goals from the NHL tweener vets and top prospects.
AHL contracts
Suess, 6 goals (33)
King, 5 g (27)
Empey, 4g (24)
Anhorn, 3g (30)
Conley, 3g (22)
Liwiski, 2g (17)
Sauntner, 1g (31)
Barteaux, 0 (32)
If 1/3 of your teams's goals are coming from guys who are just playing to stay employed in the AHL there's a fundamental problem. Why are 4th line AHL guys outscoring top prospects and seasoned veterans, with NHL experience? You'd think the ice time is heavily in favour of the stars, there has to be something wrong on the inside of this team. Players moving out midseason. No chemistry with any of the young players. Captain recalled midseason. Maybe Salomonsson is the glue there that transitions defense to offense, and puts the PP on the board (Suess and King have the same amount of PP goals as Chibrikov and Lambert respectively). And Coghlan could help with some offense too, but chemistry has to be a real problem down there. It's hard to be optimistic about prospects like Zhilkin at this point. Wagner. Lambert has been in complete regression. Even Chibrikov's numbers aren't that impressive given that what he did at the NHL level.
Coaching definitely will come into question. The decision to defer Di Vincentiis to the ECHL may have something to do with this team being out of sync, waiting for some more CHL/College prospects to join next year, with a new outlook for this team.
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Which brings up the old hypothetical question that is hard to answer. Is it better for your top prospects to get a ton of ice time in the AHL and possibly struggle, and also most likely be a not competitive team, or is it better for the top prospects to get slightly less overall ice time, but be surrounded by a good team so they are put in competitive situations where they have to learn how to win (go on a playoff run, etc.)?
Very detailed analysis -- thanks.
Having watched very little Moose hockey this year I have little useful to add except that I'd go with the second of @Huffer's options below, and argue that prospects are better served with a little less icetime and a little more leadership from established AHL vets who are working with them, ideally, as mentors and spearheads for a team that is experiencing the full gamut of game situations, including playoffs.
Most who have played on a sports team will know the differences between being on a winning team vs one that is losing often and badly, and it ain't just about "spirit." Development and progress in a team sport is personal and group-focused -- leading to prospects who understand that their own growth as players is and should be linked to team success.
I'm not particularly worried about prospects like Salmo, Chibby or Lambert, but it's hard not to feel that this Moose team has been a bit hung out to dry by the org, lacking a strong core of vets to allow for optimal usage and learning for prospects. My guess is that the Jets' best prospects had a lot more fun playing Moose hockey last year.
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They signed JAD and Shaw to help out on the Moose up front and both guys from the couple of games I have watched this year have been pretty poor. AJF just can't produce either. Losing Salo hurts a lot. He was starting to really drive the play down there. Some of the other guys can't score to save their lives like King,Suess, and Zhkilen.
They have been putting Lambert/Chibs/Lucuis as a line together but now that Chibs is out for the season that will hurt them even more.
I think what you have to take away from this season is are they generating chances and I would say yes(Lambert,Lucuis and Chibs), they seem to be the most dangerous players they have and thats a good thing. The AHL is a tough tough league and it doesn't help that we have this team here in Winnipeg and they have the worst travel schedule.
I am guessing we are going to see a bit of an overhaul in the Jets lineup and 1 or 2 of those guys will be on the roster next year anyways.
They have been putting Lambert/Chibs/Lucuis as a line together but now that Chibs is out for the season that will hurt them even more.
I think what you have to take away from this season is are they generating chances and I would say yes(Lambert,Lucuis and Chibs), they seem to be the most dangerous players they have and thats a good thing. The AHL is a tough tough league and it doesn't help that we have this team here in Winnipeg and they have the worst travel schedule.
I am guessing we are going to see a bit of an overhaul in the Jets lineup and 1 or 2 of those guys will be on the roster next year anyways.
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It’s an odd season because all the conditions you listed about the AHL being tough and Winnipeg’s travel schedule have always existed. I am not going to overreact too much to what is clearly one of the shittier years since the Moose relocated. The only thing I am left feeling is our prospect pool lacks the high end talent which makes sense since we have been drafting, less often and later since 2017. We really are in a window right now at the NHL level and we don’t really have replacements coming along for our 1st line, Morrissey, or Hellebuyck.
Moral of my post is enjoy the good times while they last. TNSE drafted quite well from 2011 to 2016.
