Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[Shlep]

Moose have the lowest goals for in the league and seventh worse in goals against.
There is some decent talent there, how are they this bad?

They don't have any defensemen that move the puck forward apart from Salomonsson, who has been injured.

 

[AtomicJets]

They don't have any defensemen that move the puck forward apart from Salomonsson, who has been injured.

100%. I'd also add that the goaltending has been sub par and we don't really have any offensive play driving veterans. But it all comes back to the defence. If Coghlan had been with the Moose all season and Salo stayed healthy, I think things would look very different.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

Moose have the lowest goals for in the league and seventh worse in goals against.
There is some decent talent there, how are they this bad?

Bad GM and bad coach.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

Lack of experienced veterans, former nhl players to provide a solid base. You can't load an AHL team with 20-22 year olds and get anywhere.

 

[Gm0ney]

The Moose D is terrible...especially when you remove Coughlin and Salomonsson. Goaltending is also 80s NHL brutal. They do have some decent vet forwards but they're all having awful seasons. The young forwards are drowning.

 

[Jetsetter]

What's going on with Jacob Julien with the London Knights?

 

[Shlep]

What's going on with Jacob Julien with the London Knights?

He's been surpassed by two other centermen on the depth chart, not getting the same opportunity as last season.

 

[KingBogo]

Lack of experienced veterans, former nhl players to provide a solid base. You can't load an AHL team with 20-22 year olds and get anywhere.

This is the right answer. The team is all about developing young prospects. There is next to none good prime age AHL career guys that help you win.

 

[Buffdog]

Lack of experienced veterans, former nhl players to provide a solid base. You can't load an AHL team with 20-22 year olds and get anywhere.

Can't do it in the NHL either. That's why the first batch of Oilers top 5 picks (Hall, Ebberle, RNH, etc) were so shitty

They brought in some character guys but the young stars never bought in. With the Moose I think it's more just a talent (or lack thereof) thing

Maybe the environment down there will prompt the org to get those kids up on the big team as soon as rosters expand. What's worse... not playing games but being up in the show getting NHL money and practicing and soaking in a winning environment or being down on the moose playing big minutes but having to live through that hell

 

[Jetsetter]

He's been surpassed by two other centermen on the depth chart, not getting the same opportunity as last season.

Having a negative effect on his growth as a player.

 

[AtomicJets]

Having a negative effect on his growth as a player.

Hard to say really. He's third line center on the best team in the league and his value has always been his defensive play. Point production is down but he's still playing a lot, wearing an A and getting the tough matchups every game. I don't know if he's going to be an NHL player but if he does make it, it'll be as a bottom six checking forward. He's got the size and the energy.

 

[Whileee]

This is the right answer. The team is all about developing young prospects. There is next to none good prime age AHL career guys that help you win.

The D is a disaster, but only a couple of actual key prospects there. Up front they have JAD, AJF, Toninato, Suess, Ford, Shaw. The problem is that everyone is having a career worst season. This Moose team isn't just bad, they are almost pathetic.

 

[voyageur]

Lack of experienced veterans, former nhl players to provide a solid base. You can't load an AHL team with 20-22 year olds and get anywhere.

I think it gets interesting if you break down goals by NHL contracts (including two-ways) and AHL contracts.

Scoring lead would be (parentheses is games)

1. Ford, undrafted, 8 goals (34)
2. Chibrikov, 2nd Rd. 2021, 7g (30)
3. Shaw, UFA, 7g (34)
4. Toninato, UFA, 6g (25)
5. Salomonsson, 2nd Rd, 2022, 3g (17)
Lucius, 1st Rd, 2021, 3g (20)
Lambert, 1st Rd, 2022, 3g (28)
AJF, waivers, 3g (34)
9. JAD, UFA, 2g (24)
Lundmark, 2nd Rd, 2019, 2g (31)
11. Coghlan, Trade, 1g (4)

And you can add castaways Kuzmin and NIkkanen for a goal each, Torgersson, zilch, Wagner (15), Zhilkin (16) and Bauer (28) haven't been on the scoreboard either.

That's 47 goals from the NHL tweener vets and top prospects.

AHL contracts
Suess, 6 goals (33)
King, 5 g (27)
Empey, 4g (24)
Anhorn, 3g (30)
Conley, 3g (22)
Liwiski, 2g (17)
Sauntner, 1g (31)
Barteaux, 0 (32)

If 1/3 of your teams's goals are coming from guys who are just playing to stay employed in the AHL there's a fundamental problem. Why are 4th line AHL guys outscoring top prospects and seasoned veterans, with NHL experience? You'd think the ice time is heavily in favour of the stars, there has to be something wrong on the inside of this team. Players moving out midseason. No chemistry with any of the young players. Captain recalled midseason. Maybe Salomonsson is the glue there that transitions defense to offense, and puts the PP on the board (Suess and King have the same amount of PP goals as Chibrikov and Lambert respectively). And Coghlan could help with some offense too, but chemistry has to be a real problem down there. It's hard to be optimistic about prospects like Zhilkin at this point. Wagner. Lambert has been in complete regression. Even Chibrikov's numbers aren't that impressive given that what he did at the NHL level.

Coaching definitely will come into question. The decision to defer Di Vincentiis to the ECHL may have something to do with this team being out of sync, waiting for some more CHL/College prospects to join next year, with a new outlook for this team.