Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[kylbaz]

Thanks for updates and I like the pts per game comparisons.

 

[ICdave]

Thanks for updates and I like the pts per game comparisons.

You're most welcome. (P.S. I think that was for me but not I'm not 100%).

Sunday night clips:

 

[kylbaz]

My concern when we drafted Barlow was that he matured much earlier than his peers and they would catch up to him. Of course I hope I was 100% wrong.

 

[TommyKillian]

My concern when we drafted Barlow was that he matured much earlier than his peers and they would catch up to him. Of course I hope I was 100% wrong.

The strange thing is he is still playing against the same cohort and is still more physically mature than many of his opponents. Yet, he isn't scoring. Even when he's been "hot" in his last 12 games, he only has 12 points in those games. I was never high on him as a prospect, but he is so far below the level he should be at, and even below where he was last year, that it's hard to explain.

Funny how the team's social media was promoting the McGroarty - Barlow bromance at development camp two years ago and now we have like 6 or 7 prospects out-performing both of them. Life comes at you fast! It also emphasizes that we have a pretty nice group of prospects developing.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

The strange thing is he is still playing against the same cohort and is still more physically mature than many of his opponents. Yet, he isn't scoring. Even when he's been "hot" in his last 12 games, he only has 12 points in those games. I was never high on him as a prospect, but he is so far below the level he should be at, and even below where he was last year, that it's hard to explain.

Funny how the team's social media was promoting the McGroarty - Barlow bromance at development camp two years ago and now we have like 6 or 7 prospects out-performing both of them. Life comes at you fast! It also emphasizes that we have a pretty nice group of prospects developing.

Similiar concerns about barlow however moving to a new team we should discount the slow start. He needs to keep scoring and continue to pick it up up the pace. There have been lots of 50 goal scorers from junior turn out to be duds as pros. He as time, lets hope he keeps building his game.

 

[AtomicJets]

I don't see it the same way. Barlow had a slow start after holding out for a trade and missing camp and the first few games of the season. He had 0 points in his first six games but has played well since then, he leads Oshawa in shots and power play goals, and he's fourth on the team in goals overall and rapidly rising up that list. He's on the top line playing with Beckett Sennecke and producing well now. He hasn't gotten hot yet. When he does, everyone will know. He is what he is, a pure goal scorer. He's never going to be a grinder or playmaker, that's just not his game.

 

[KingBogo]

I don't see it the same way. Barlow had a slow start after holding out for a trade and missing camp and the first few games of the season. He had 0 points in his first six games but has played well since then, he leads Oshawa in shots and power play goals, and he's fourth on the team in goals overall and rapidly rising up that list. He's on the top line playing with Beckett Sennecke and producing well now. He hasn't gotten hot yet. When he does, everyone will know. He is what he is, a pure goal scorer. He's never going to be a grinder or playmaker, that's just not his game.

Barlow has a long way to go as a prospect. He is not such a "pure goal scorer" that he will be able to survive in the NHL with nothing else to add to his game.

 

[AtomicJets]

Barlow has a long way to go as a prospect. He is not such a "pure goal scorer" that he will be able to survive in the NHL with nothing else to add to his game.

Well yeah, he's 19.

 

[KingBogo]

Well yeah, he's 19.

I think we should be worried about Barlow as a prospect. His production fell off in his D+1 season and now is nosediving in his D+2 season and we are seeing nothing else develop in his game. He is playing mostly against kids younger than him now in the OHL and should be a force.

 

[surixon]

I think we should be worried about Barlow as a prospect. His production fell off in his D+1 season and now is nosediving in his D+2 season and we are seeing nothing else develop in his game. He is playing mostly against kids younger than him now in the OHL and should be a force.

Yeah, he'd be my main trade chip at the deadline if some teams still see potential in him.

 

[Flair Hay]

My concern when we drafted Barlow was that he matured much earlier than his peers and they would catch up to him. Of course I hope I was 100% wrong.

That likely played a part in it.

I don't see it the same way. Barlow had a slow start after holding out for a trade and missing camp and the first few games of the season. He had 0 points in his first six games but has played well since then, he leads Oshawa in shots and power play goals, and he's fourth on the team in goals overall and rapidly rising up that list. He's on the top line playing with Beckett Sennecke and producing well now. He hasn't gotten hot yet. When he does, everyone will know. He is what he is, a pure goal scorer. He's never going to be a grinder or playmaker, that's just not his game.

I still think you have to have enough grinding and passing in your game to be able to contribute at the NHL level.

I think we should be worried about Barlow as a prospect. His production fell off in his D+1 season and now is nosediving in his D+2 season and we are seeing nothing else develop in his game. He is playing mostly against kids younger than him now in the OHL and should be a force.

Yeah this is the concern. It's not that he is 19, it's that he isn't making big leaps from 17-19 like you want to see from your prospects.

Lambert and Lucius both got sent back to WHL from the AHL at 18 and put up more than 1.5 pts/game.

Barlow had a pretty solid power forward sniper profile on draft day but the development just hasn't been there. It happens. I dont want to say he will never ever turn it around. Never say never.

Yeah, he'd be my main trade chip at the deadline if some teams still see potential in him.

Yeah I think this makes sense. Let a rebuilding team with nothing to lose take a shot on him rebounding.

For us, Chibrikov, Walton and He all look like better bets for top 6 one day. And all have more well rounded games for the bottom six.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think we should be worried about Barlow as a prospect. His production fell off in his D+1 season and now is nosediving in his D+2 season and we are seeing nothing else develop in his game. He is playing mostly against kids younger than him now in the OHL and should be a force.

Don't disagree but there have been some extenuating circumstances so the jury is still out on his D+2. He needs to continue to pick up the pace and he needs to expand his game beyond just goal scoring.

He could still turn out to be a good prospect but take longer to develop as he adds to his game

 

[KingBogo]

Don't disagree but there have been some extenuating circumstances so the jury is still out on his D+2. He needs to continue to pick up the pace and he needs to expand his game beyond just goal scoring.

He could still turn out to be a good prospect but take longer to develop as he adds to his game

Agreed, no need to write him off, just less hopeful than I once was.

 

[voyageur]

Agreed, no need to write him off, just less hopeful than I once was.

He made it to the main training camp this year, got cut with Yager, and maybe the guys who got cut earlier and started with their junior teams are off to a faster start as a consequence.

If he trains with some of the team in the offseason I expect he'll make strides in his development. I think the Jets would like to see more power in his skating which could make him a power forward.

 

[Heldig]

That likely played a part in it.

I still think you have to have enough grinding and passing in your game to be able to contribute at the NHL level.

Yeah this is the concern. It's not that he is 19, it's that he isn't making big leaps from 17-19 like you want to see from your prospects.

Lambert and Lucius both got sent back to WHL from the AHL at 18 and put up more than 1.5 pts/game.

Barlow had a pretty solid power forward sniper profile on draft day but the development just hasn't been there. It happens. I dont want to say he will never ever turn it around. Never say never.

Yeah I think this makes sense. Let a rebuilding team with nothing to lose take a shot on him rebounding.

For us, Chibrikov, Walton and He all look like better bets for top 6 one day. And all have more well rounded games for the bottom six.

GM Rule - never draft guys with heavy feet.