Prospect Info: Jets Prospects

[Romang67]

I have no idea why people are underrating Salomonsson. We have a RHD with offensive talent who does well defensively, with size and skating to boot, just improving year over year, and he's largely being ignored by non-Jets people.

It's weird. He was a relatively big name pre-draft, who dropped in the draft with a somewhat underwhelming draft year. Like Lambert. But freaking EVERYONE talks about Lambert all the time.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I have no idea why people are underrating Salomonsson. We have a RHD with offensive talent who does well defensively, with size and skating to boot, just improving year over year, and he's largely being ignored by non-Jets people.

It's weird. He was a relatively big name pre-draft, who dropped in the draft with a somewhat underwhelming draft year. Like Lambert. But freaking EVERYONE talks about Lambert all the time.

Everyone has to be Cale Makar or they suck

 

[buggs]

Everyone has to be Cale Makar or they suck

Josh Morrissey sucks. Because he isn't Cale Makar.

 

[surixon]

I have no idea why people are underrating Salomonsson. We have a RHD with offensive talent who does well defensively, with size and skating to boot, just improving year over year, and he's largely being ignored by non-Jets people.

It's weird. He was a relatively big name pre-draft, who dropped in the draft with a somewhat underwhelming draft year. Like Lambert. But freaking EVERYONE talks about Lambert all the time.

He's easily been the best player on the Moose this year. But it seems these types get underrated because they aren't monster point producers. As Snerg has shown you don't need to score 50 points to be impact top 4 dmen in this league. Salomonsson is ahead of Snerg at the same age and if he turns out as good we are laughing all the way to the bank.

Also the comments told me all I needed to know that they really weren't paying much attention. They slag Yager for the WJC but fail to note that he was used in a checking line role that tournament and not an offensive role. No shit his point totals weren't as high as it wasn't his role until later in the tournament.

The Barlow comments strike me as if they haven't seen him play at all.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Josh Morrissey sucks. Because he isn't Cale Makar.

Go back a few years and you would see this

 

[MardyBum]

Not even like his offense isn't noticeable in the AHL. Tied for 5th on the Moose in scoring with Parker Ford even missing 10 or so games with an injury.

Considering ASP got the PP time with Skelleftea and not him, he scored damn well there too.

 

[ICdave]

 

[voyageur]

Liking this pick, and liking that he came over to the CHL to fast track his career. Think there is 4th liner there, he was pretty quick out there in the Young Stars.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

That was the COVID year, made grading these kids next too impossible. Johnston didn't play a single game that year.

Except Chevy and the scouts gambled on a kid who had injury concerns already. It was a reason he fell in the draft. It turned out to be a bad decision.

2021 is turning out to be yet another bad draft by Chevy and the scouts. The only person who will salvage it to becoming merely OK is Chibrikov who might be a 3rd line/middle-6 player.

 

[surixon]

Except Chevy and the scouts gambled on a kid who had injury concerns already. It was a reason he fell in the draft. It turned out to be a bad decision.

2021 is turning out to be yet another bad draft by Chevy and the scouts. The only person who will salvage it to becoming merely OK is Chibrikov who might be a 3rd line/middle-6 player.

They only had 4 picks so not really sure if it was ever going to be good draft. Getting one NHL player out of 4 picks would be solid.

 

[10Ducky10]

Except Chevy and the scouts gambled on a kid who had injury concerns already. It was a reason he fell in the draft. It turned out to be a bad decision.

2021 is turning out to be yet another bad draft by Chevy and the scouts. The only person who will salvage it to becoming merely OK is Chibrikov who might be a 3rd line/middle-6 player.

I guess we shouldn't have gambled on Volare either?
Don't sleep on Rashevsky.

 

[ICdave]

 

[Huffer]

Anyone watched the last half dozen or so Moose games and can give their thoughts on Wagner? Extreme short sample size, but how is he looking besides the goals? What's his game like?

I don't think anyone would expect him to continue this pace, but if he can have a solid season next year, does he start to put his name into a conversation at some point?

 

[surixon]

Anyone watched the last half dozen or so Moose games and can give their thoughts on Wagner? Extreme short sample size, but how is he looking besides the goals? What's his game like?

I don't think anyone would expect him to continue this pace, but if he can have a solid season next year, does he start to put his name into a conversation at some point?

I've seen most games. He's an intelligent player with good positioning. He plays a sound defensive game and is pretty opportunistic offensively.

I think he's definitely someone that you could project to a bottom 6 role if he keeps developing.

 

[Huffer]

I've seen most games. He's an intelligent player with good positioning. He plays a sound defensive game and is pretty opportunistic offensively.

I think he's definitely someone that you could project to a bottom 6 role if he keeps developing.

Good to know about his defensive game, that's definitley something I was wondering about. As in, can he fill in a bottom 6 role at some point in the future, can he fill a role on the PK, etc.

What about his speed? I imagine he's not overly physical, so I'm kind of wondering what he would be asked to bring to the table. Like an Appleton type, use speed on the forecheck, cycle game, etc?

It's intriguing for a guy like him to have this kind of success at this stage, even with the small sample size. It will be interesting to see how he does next year.

 

[surixon]

Good to know about his defensive game, that's definitley something I was wondering about. As in, can he fill in a bottom 6 role at some point in the future, can he fill a role on the PK, etc.

What about his speed? I imagine he's not overly physical, so I'm kind of wondering what he would be asked to bring to the table. Like an Appleton type, use speed on the forecheck, cycle game, etc?

It's intriguing for a guy like him to have this kind of success at this stage, even with the small sample size. It will be interesting to see how he does next year.

He's not a burner but he's not slow either. He's probably projects as an average skater at the NHL level. He doesn't shy away from the tough areas of the ice and has some tenacity in his game. I'd say Copp is a decent stylistic comparable for him.

 

[trebendan]

He's not a burner but he's not slow either. He's probably projects as an average skater at the NHL level. He doesn't shy away from the tough areas of the ice and has some tenacity in his game. I'd say Copp is a decent stylistic comparable for him.

I’d be interested to see where his point totals end up for this season, and how he fares in the summer’s prospect polls. We’ll see.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

They only had 4 picks so not really sure if it was ever going to be good draft. Getting one NHL player out of 4 picks would be solid.

Than you need to make your picks count. Ideally one of: top-6 forward, top-4 d-man or a starting goalie

AND

one of: a bottom-6 forward, bottom-pairing d-man or backup goalie.

for each draft. This is especially important for a franchise that has never attracted (through trade) and retained a top-6 forward (traded for and signed to an extension) in it's 14-year history. On defense, we have one or two (depending on your views of Pionk) exceptions with top-4 d-men with Pionk and Demelo. That's it.

It's pretty worrisome that we continually draft fewer picks than we should have year after year since 2017, with one year being the exception. You make it that much more difficult to achieve those goals of sustaining a playoff team. One top-6 forward and one top-4 d-man in the last 8 years.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I guess we shouldn't have gambled on Volare either?
Don't sleep on Rashevsky.

That is a strange comparison. We didn't draft and develop Vilardi, LA did. Vilardi also played 3 quarters of the previous season (far more than Chaz has ever accomplished) with LA establishing himself as a top-6 forward in the NHL.

Rashevsky's numbers have not improved over 4 seasons in the KHL. In fact his best PPG production was 3 years ago. Maybe he can be a middle-6 forward or a 3rd liner in the NHL? I wouldn't count on him producing like a top-6 forward in the NHL which is what the Jets will need in the near future if Ehlers walks. We already have weak production at our 2nd line centre position as it is.

I think Rashevsky could come over if Chevy offers a one-way contract for 2 years with an annual hit of $1 million or so per season. If he needs some seasoning in the AHL or is just not good enough for the NHL, it's not a big hit capwise for the Jets and it's not a big hit financially to Rashevsky as he will still make bank regardless of whether he plays in the NHL or not.

He won't come over if Chevy offers a 2-way contract. In that scenario, he would make less than a $100,000 per season in the AHL - a marked decline over what he likely makes in the KHL...I'm guessing in the $300,000 range, maybe a bit more.

 

[Gm0ney]

Than you need to make your picks count. Ideally one of: top-6 forward, top-4 d-man or a starting goalie

AND

one of: a bottom-6 forward, bottom-pairing d-man or backup goalie.

for each draft. This is especially important for a franchise that has never attracted (through trade) and retained a top-6 forward (traded for and signed to an extension) in it's 14-year history. On defense, we have one or two (depending on your views of Pionk) exceptions with top-4 d-men with Pionk and Demelo. That's it.

It's pretty worrisome that we continually draft fewer picks than we should have year after year since 2017, with one year being the exception. You make it that much more difficult to achieve those goals of sustaining a playoff team. One top-6 forward and one top-4 d-man in the last 8 years.

Teams are doing well if they're hitting on 2 NHLers per year at the draft.

 

[Gm0ney]

That is a strange comparison. We didn't draft and develop Vilardi, LA did. Vilardi also played 3 quarters of the previous season (far more than Chaz has ever accomplished) with LA establishing himself as a top-6 forward in the NHL.

Rashevsky's numbers have not improved over 4 seasons in the KHL. In fact his best PPG production was 3 years ago. Maybe he can be a middle-6 forward or a 3rd liner in the NHL? I wouldn't count on him producing like a top-6 forward in the NHL which is what the Jets will need in the near future if Ehlers walks. We already have weak production at our 2nd line centre position as it is.

I think Rashevsky could come over if Chevy offers a one-way contract for 2 years with an annual hit of $1 million or so per season. If he needs some seasoning in the AHL or is just not good enough for the NHL, it's not a big hit capwise for the Jets and it's not a big hit financially to Rashevsky as he will still make bank regardless of whether he plays in the NHL or not.

He won't come over if Chevy offers a 2-way contract. In that scenario, he would make less than a $100,000 per season in the AHL - a marked decline over what he likely makes in the KHL...I'm guessing in the $300,000 range, maybe a bit more.

Rashevsky would have to sign an ELC and that's automatically a 2-way contract.

 

[lanky]

I wouldn't count on him producing like a top-6 forward in the NHL which is what the Jets will need in the near future if Ehlers walks. We already have weak production at our 2nd line centre position as it is.

I speculate that Lambert was moved to wing with the Moose in preparation for Ehlers leaving.

 

[surixon]

Another bad goal by Helle. He's slumping.

 

[Finnflash]

Another bad goal by Helle. He's slumping.

That’s it back to the prospect pool for you Helly

 

[Flair Hay]

That is a strange comparison. We didn't draft and develop Vilardi, LA did. Vilardi also played 3 quarters of the previous season (far more than Chaz has ever accomplished) with LA establishing himself as a top-6 forward in the NHL.

Rashevsky's numbers have not improved over 4 seasons in the KHL. In fact his best PPG production was 3 years ago. Maybe he can be a middle-6 forward or a 3rd liner in the NHL? I wouldn't count on him producing like a top-6 forward in the NHL which is what the Jets will need in the near future if Ehlers walks. We already have weak production at our 2nd line centre position as it is.

I think Rashevsky could come over if Chevy offers a one-way contract for 2 years with an annual hit of $1 million or so per season. If he needs some seasoning in the AHL or is just not good enough for the NHL, it's not a big hit capwise for the Jets and it's not a big hit financially to Rashevsky as he will still make bank regardless of whether he plays in the NHL or not.

He won't come over if Chevy offers a 2-way contract. In that scenario, he would make less than a $100,000 per season in the AHL - a marked decline over what he likely makes in the KHL...I'm guessing in the $300,000 range, maybe a bit more.

Rashevsky is a seasoned pro who could probably contribute as an NHLer from day one. Not sure there is any impactful ceiling though. Doesn't hurt to give him a shot. He has a great motor but his skating and defensive game aren't at the level where a cup contending team's 4th line guys.

Chibrikov is younger, already put in time on the Moose and is a better skater with similar strengths and things to work on. And had a solid showing in his very brief top six opportunity. That's the guy I can see breaking in next if we have to make some tough choices cap wise with bottom six forwards Appleton, Iafallo and Tanev.