Post-Game Talk: Jets @ Oilers 6pm

[Whileee]

Agreed, it's not like Bouchard is some small player he is pretty darn big himself. He got the puck deep and maintained possession on the play and it lead to extended zone time.

I just wish he wasn't hesitant to use his shot.

He unleashed a shot from the slot last night, showing his very good release. He also made a very nice pass to send Eyssimont in alone, and showed good hands on Connor's goal. More importantly, his back pressure has been really good, and he's been solid in his positioning on the forecheck and in his zone. His skill will show through if he does enough for the coaches to get ice-time. That's what Maurice has emphasized in camp, and Ves is probably heeding that advice, rather than trying to make offensive plays every shift.

 

[Whileee]

Wait, you mean to say that a coach can only get so much out of a particular lineup, and sometimes has to modify the strategy based on talents and skill sets?

I know that's a mind-blowing concept, but I think it might have some validity.

 

[surixon]

He unleashed a shot from the slot last night, showing his very good release. He also made a very nice pass to send Eyssimont in alone, and showed good hands on Connor's goal. More importantly, his back pressure has been really good, and he's been solid in his positioning on the forecheck and in his zone. His skill will show through if he does enough for the coaches to get ice-time. That's what Maurice has emphasized in camp, and Ves is probably heeding that advice, rather than trying to make offensive plays every shift.

Your preaching to the choir, I've been saying he's doing exactly what Moe wants him to do and Moe will give him leewaybto grow his game outward from that base if he keeps it up.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The 3rd goal was on Comrie. The rest were not. But I come here to see that Comrie sucks, is not NHL calibre, etc.

I'm still not sold on him as our backup - but not because of his play in these 2 pre-season games.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Sawyer made a dumb observation on that play, as usual. Ves has been quite solid, in my view. He's in a different position and role, but I'm seeing more confidence with the puck, and he continues to be well positioned. The Lowry line had more jump last night because of Harkins, not Svech. Harkins has been the big story in the bottom 6 in the pre-season, in my view.

I just don’t see much from Ves. Maybe he’s doing the little things all right . I’ve just never seen him he’s a size one time.

That said, I am watching games out of the corner my eye as I’m looking after a four year old. The 4 year old can’t stop laughing at Beyak’s jokes.

 

[Adam da bomb]

He unleashed a shot from the slot last night, showing his very good release. He also made a very nice pass to send Eyssimont in alone, and showed good hands on Connor's goal. More importantly, his back pressure has been really good, and he's been solid in his positioning on the forecheck and in his zone. His skill will show through if he does enough for the coaches to get ice-time. That's what Maurice has emphasized in camp, and Ves is probably heeding that advice, rather than trying to make offensive plays every shift.

kfc’s goal was created by tonaito. Tonato has been better in his end.

 

[Romang67]

The 3rd goal was on Comrie. The rest were not. But I come here to see that Comrie sucks, is not NHL calibre, etc.

I'm still not sold on him as our backup - but not because of his play in these 2 pre-season games.

The third goal is exactly the issue with Comrie though. The fact that those goals keep going in against him is why he's not NHL quality. He regularly gets beaten on shots from relatively far away when he isn't screened. It has happened what? 3 times in these two preseason games?

It simply isn't good enough.

 

[Monty9]

The third goal is exactly the issue with Comrie though. The fact that those goals keep going in against him is why he's not NHL quality. He regularly gets beaten on shots from relatively far away when he isn't screened. It has happened what? 3 times in these two preseason games?

It simply isn't good enough.

11 back to backs is 22 points we can't give away.....they needed to give Berdin a shot to play a bit more to see what he has. Comrie appears to a great guy but he has had lots of time to step up, he hasn't. This isn't about 2 exhibition games, few people think he can be a solid NHL backup. If Berdin can't do it then we need help fast. Comrie losing 4-5 before they make a move will be tragic.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The third goal is exactly the issue with Comrie though. The fact that those goals keep going in against him is why he's not NHL quality. He regularly gets beaten on shots from relatively far away when he isn't screened. It has happened what? 3 times in these two preseason games?

It simply isn't good enough.

3 times? I have a short memory but I only recall the one last night. You're saying that 2 of the 3 goals in the first game fit that description?

Every goalie lets in some bad ones, even Vezina winners.

We shouldn't expect league average starter performance out of him. We shouldn't even expect below avg starter performance out of him. He is auditioning for the backup job. We should expect him to be a little weaker than almost every starter in the league. And he is. How does he compare to other backups?

He just gave up 4 goals playing behind a half AHL team that was facing almost an NHL lineup that included the best player in the world plus another guy in the top 5, plus a few other pretty good players. That team playing in front of him hung him out to dry on 2 of the 4 goals he gave up.

I'm not arguing that he is a good backup, or even a 'good enough' backup. But he has been 'not bad' in these 2 pre-season games.

 

[LowLefty]

Wait, you mean to say that a coach can only get so much out of a particular lineup, and sometimes has to modify the strategy based on talents and skill sets?

Sounds reasonable - yet the concept is debated endlessly.

 

[Jets 31]

3 times? I have a short memory but I only recall the one last night. You're saying that 2 of the 3 goals in the first game fit that description?

Every goalie lets in some bad ones, even Vezina winners.

We shouldn't expect league average starter performance out of him. We shouldn't even expect below avg starter performance out of him. He is auditioning for the backup job. We should expect him to be a little weaker than almost every starter in the league. And he is. How does he compare to other backups?

He just gave up 4 goals playing behind a half AHL team that was facing almost an NHL lineup that included the best player in the world plus another guy in the top 5, plus a few other pretty good players. That team playing in front of him hung him out to dry on 2 of the 4 goals he gave up.

I'm not arguing that he is a good backup, or even a 'good enough' backup. But he has been 'not bad' in these 2 pre-season games.

He's also not very smooth moving side to side in his net, i hope Chevy has his eyes open for a better backup.

 

[LowLefty]

Sawyer made a dumb observation on that play, as usual. Ves has been quite solid, in my view. He's in a different position and role, but I'm seeing more confidence with the puck, and he continues to be well positioned. The Lowry line had more jump last night because of Harkins, not Svech. Harkins has been the big story in the bottom 6 in the pre-season, in my view.

IDK -
Ves could have been more aggressive on the play - I wouldn't call the observation dumb.
What was surprising was hearing it from Sawyer who usually has nothing but good things to say, even on bad plays.
Regardless, it was one play -

Ves is doing all the things that are being called out - he's well positioned and playing a fairy smart game.
But I would have thought he might add a little intensity - I don't see much of that from this player.
Again, maybe more focused on not making mistakes and following Mo's game plan - that can show up as looking less involved / aggressive / ambitious.

Speaking of Harkins, I don't see him being potentially pinned down by Mo - he's flying out there and his effort is huge - like to see more of that from Ves.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He's also not very smooth moving side to side in his net, i hope Chevy has his eyes open for a better backup.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Romang67]

3 times? I have a short memory but I only recall the one last night. You're saying that 2 of the 3 goals in the first game fit that description?

Every goalie lets in some bad ones, even Vezina winners.

We shouldn't expect league average starter performance out of him. We shouldn't even expect below avg starter performance out of him. He is auditioning for the backup job. We should expect him to be a little weaker than almost every starter in the league. And he is. How does he compare to other backups?

He just gave up 4 goals playing behind a half AHL team that was facing almost an NHL lineup that included the best player in the world plus another guy in the top 5, plus a few other pretty good players. That team playing in front of him hung him out to dry on 2 of the 4 goals he gave up.

I'm not arguing that he is a good backup, or even a 'good enough' backup. But he has been 'not bad' in these 2 pre-season games.

Pinto and Formenton beat him clean from outside by the faceoff circle in the Ottawa game, and now Pulju against Edmonton. These are goals that will happen every now and then, and even once in a blue moon will happen thrice in 2 games against a quality NHL goalie. But the fact that it happened 3 times in 2 games when Comrie is out there to show that he's NHL backup quality is a really bad sign. It could be bad luck, or it could be that Comrie is too small and either has poor angles or bad reflexes.

We won't know how he compares statistically to other backups around the league until he plays a fair number of games. Eye-test wise, he looks insufficient to me. As in, quite possibly the worst backup we've had on the Jets since the move. That would result in Hellebuyck's playing 70+ games, which he shouldn't.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

A loss was worth the opportunity to ram goals down their throats during their wave. That was pretty sweet. No biggie. It's hard to tell on deflections if another goalie would have made another save or two. It would have really helped if the Jets had buried some of those empty net opportunities. Dillon needs to ease up on the stick... we don't want to be shorthanded that often.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pinto and Formenton beat him clean from outside by the faceoff circle in the Ottawa game, and now Pulju against Edmonton. These are goals that will happen every now and then, and even once in a blue moon will happen thrice in 2 games against a quality NHL goalie. But the fact that it happened 3 times in 2 games when Comrie is out there to show that he's NHL backup quality is a really bad sign. It could be bad luck, or it could be that Comrie is too small and either has poor angles or bad reflexes.

We won't know how he compares statistically to other backups around the league until he plays a fair number of games. Eye-test wise, he looks insufficient to me. As in, quite possibly the worst backup we've had on the Jets since the move. That would result in Hellebuyck's playing 70+ games, which he shouldn't.

I don't have that clear a recollection of those goals against Sens. I know I didn't blame him for them at the time. Good shooters are going to beat goalies sometimes, even good goalies.

I'm not arguing that he is an adequate backup. I doubt that he can be. I would have cut him loose 2 years ago. But I think Jets fans are being hypercritical of him right now.

 

[Romang67]

I don't have that clear a recollection of those goals against Sens. I know I didn't blame him for them at the time. Good shooters are going to beat goalies sometimes, even good goalies.

I'm not arguing that he is an adequate backup. I doubt that he can be. I would have cut him loose 2 years ago. But I think Jets fans are being hypercritical of him right now.

I blamed him at the time.

And yes, NHL level shooters can beat goalies clean every now and then. It's entirely possible that a regular backup quality goalie would have allowed those three clean shots to beat him. But that Comrie allowed them in two preseason games where he was supposed to show that he was ready to play NHL level hockey isn't a good sign.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I blamed him at the time.

And yes, NHL level shooters can beat goalies clean every now and then. It's entirely possible that a regular backup quality goalie would have allowed those three clean shots to beat him. But that Comrie allowed them in two preseason games where he was supposed to show that he was ready to play NHL level hockey isn't a good sign.

You are being a lot harder on him than I am.
We aren't going to agree on the Sens goals. I was watching and judging him at the time and I concluded the goals were not on him. The guy I was watching with agreed, FWIW. Credit the shooters, IMO.

Our backup goalie limited the opposition to 2 goals in regulation. That means he gave us a very good chance to win the game. That is all you ask of a backup.

 

[None]

But that Comrie allowed them in two preseason games where he was supposed to show that he was ready to play NHL level hockey isn't a good sign.

That's basically where I'm at regarding Comrie. He says he's still shaking off rust but honestly he needed to hit the ground running and he hasn't. I think he's meeting a lot of people's expectations in a bad way. I also don't think many fans liked that he was penned into the backup role without competition; reeks of Pavelec-like treatment.

And while management might feel like they owe Comrie something, fans aren't really obligated to give him any slack just because he's wearing the jersey.