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Post-Game Talk: Jets lose to that team 4-1, that team still sucks
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It is not transitioning and its not rebuilding. It is stagnant. No, it is worse than stagnant. It is slowly decaying year over year. Yup, that is the right word. We have a team identity. It is decay.
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Making excuses is exactly what you are doing.
Excuse may be valid. It is still an excuse.
Lets see the next few games before jumping off the ledge. Not very many more games, but a few more than 5.
That hurts but is probably because it is true.
Window closed very quickly due to CAP and some odd decisions (GM and coaching).
Now they are in the dreaded musshy middle. Not good enough to be a contender (not even close, really) and not bad enough to get top draft picks and rebuild.
Still need to wait another 5 games to see if the team can adjust to the new system and become consistently effective. Early returns are not very good. Poor offense, poor defense and poor special teams.
Yeah the team is desperately needing some skilled forwards. On a positive note, we have some skill coming. Hopefully they pan out, but we have a number of intriguing forward prospects coming. Lambert, McGroarty, Lucius, Rashevsky, and Chibrikov all have legit NHL top 6 upside and are at varying points of their development. And then I think Torgersson and Barron will be solid bottom sixers. Add Perfetti who should be a top-line forward and that’s a very good group. Do they all realize their potential? Likely not, but there’s gotta be a few hits in there.
It’s early yet, but I wonder if the team falls off the rails again like last year if we don’t just fully commit to the rebuild at that point. Like if we’re not a playoff team at Christmas, do you see Scheif and Dubois dealt? We have an opportunity to load up at the draft this year as it’s supposed to be packed with talent. If this core fails again during the first half of the year, I can see us pulling the trigger on a rebuild given the contract status of some of our core guys and Chevy’s apparent job security with his recent extension should mean he’ll be unafraid to take a step back.
Gus also looks like a good bottom 6 player in the making. There are elements of both Copp and Lowry in his game. If he translate a bit of offense he very well could be that modern two-way 3C that many good teams have.
I also wonder if we are sleeping on some of our AHL dmen. I know there is a big jump but the Moose are dominating with a top 5 of all home grown talent. Many of whom have the puck moving aspect that the Jets coaching staff is looking for.
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I thought we looked like the last few seasons when we were lost and floundering around in our zone.
My expectations were that would have been one of the primary areas of concern to address and perhaps they have been working on it?
How many of you are shouting at the TV at that point when the blue line appears to have force field properties and the puck may never leave our zone
That’s beyond frustrating and hopefully they figure that out.
Seems to me it always, or almost always, happens after 1 or 2 opportunities to get out fail. The other 4 skaters are already switching gears expecting it to get out and the puck carrier makes a bad decision and fails to get it out. They try to do too much. Get it out in some kind of advantageous position at a time when just getting it out successfully - aka without icing it - is all that really matters.
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The Copp effect was visible for years, every time Copp was taken off Lowry's line for any reason.
Lowry did come to life late last season. I'm not sure who his linemates would have been then but I think it was after Copp was gone. If he could put together a complete season like that he would be a legit 3C.
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One team liquidated a bunch of their valuable assets and is blatantly tanking. Another doubled down and is committed to winning.
Early but isn’t it something..
Early but isn’t it something..
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Sanford/Svechnikov-Lowry-Appleton for the bulk of the time post TDL, Barron-Lowry-Appleton was a thing for like 2-3 games.
Most of that damage was on the PK. The lines 5 on 5 scoring was still pretty non existent.
From marginal non-playoff team to marginal playoff team.
The decision might be made for management as to which direction they go if most or all of Dubois, Scheifele and Helly refuse to sign extensions in the off-season.
i just dunno if there's more offense there w/ lowry. the alternative to putting lowry at 4c is then elevating gus as 3c, unless they go w/ Perfetti or Wheeler at C but i am going to guess that's not in their plans. Gus at 3C might put even less offense than Lowry
here's lowry's pts/60 at 5v5 for his career. i think he is closer to "is what it is" at this point. he had 2 v good in individual production in 17-18 (w/ young copp and tanev) and the CDN Div year (notably perreault & appleton). also did wonder w/ Ves if he was hamstrung with Lowry as his primary playmaking C
. dont get me wrong ves is not some world-beater at all, but i don't think playing him w/ lowry complemented his strengths.folks talk about winning match-ups and such.... but that really has not been happening to great consistency imo. iirc - garret hohl mentioned on twitter that lowry has been facing top-6 comp less and less, so you're left w/ a 3rd line getting outscored primarily by bottom-6ers.
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Is the Lowry line being outscored by bottom 6'ers? Or has there been a recent trend to him playing against bottom 6'ers and he might someday be outscored at that level?i just dunno if there's more offense there w/ lowry. the alternative to putting lowry at 4c is then elevating gus as 3c, unless they go w/ Perfetti or Wheeler at C but i am going to guess that's not in their plans. Gus at 3C might put even less offense than Lowry
here's lowry's pts/60 at 5v5 for his career. i think he is closer to "is what it is" at this point. he had 2 v good in individual production in 17-18 (w/ young copp and tanev) and the CDN Div year (notably perreault & appleton). also did wonder w/ Ves if he was hamstrung with Lowry as his primary playmaking C
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folks talk about winning match-ups and such.... but that really has not been happening to great consistency imo. iirc - garret hohl mentioned on twitter that lowry has been facing top-6 comp less and less, so you're left w/ a 3rd line getting outscored primarily by bottom-6ers.
I'd be interested in seeing those numbers if there is enough of a sample
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I'm, unsurprisingly, still not on board with the team after last year's debacle and the summer of the great Nothing, but we have faced some of the toughest comp in the league so far this season.
Watching the Moose and the schemes and systems work if you have players executing at a high level. I guess we will have to see if we can get this team executing at a high level and if we have the roster talent to translate that execution into enough wins to get in.
I will also say the Jets havent had any pracrice tkme recently with this schedule to work out some of the issues in there game. They should get atheist two days of practice next week and I think it's needed.
I will also say the Jets havent had any pracrice tkme recently with this schedule to work out some of the issues in there game. They should get atheist two days of practice next week and I think it's needed.
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Yah, I noticed the powerplay is it treading in a puddle easily predicting outcome and what they are doing. Answer, not much! Only almost bright is Dubois is playing hard and tough and producing. He could have had a hat-trick or more with better puck-luck on 2 crossbars and a post dinger. Also liked Apples' game. He is exuding confidence and relevance on the top-line. If he gets a few more games in this higher role due to Ehlers out, I have him higher on the charts than Wheels, for sure. Keep Apples top-6 and drop Wheels to 3rd/4th line.
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Definitely noticed Lowry being outplayed against Matthews line. Could have adjusted a home game to put Dubois against Matthews. A bit of a miss by Bones and a head-scratcher looking back.
I give Bones a "pass, move-on" card because yes, lots of louder Leafs fans could have had the bench confused as to hometeam with Bones just back and having been wiped out pretty hard from COVID infection! He looked like he was still struggling to keep his focus and had a painful look on his face. By end of 2nd period I noticed I had a similar painful look on my face in the washroom mirror. Constipation of consternation on this teams identity, possibly?
I give Bones a "pass, move-on" card because yes, lots of louder Leafs fans could have had the bench confused as to hometeam with Bones just back and having been wiped out pretty hard from COVID infection! He looked like he was still struggling to keep his focus and had a painful look on his face. By end of 2nd period I noticed I had a similar painful look on my face in the washroom mirror. Constipation of consternation on this teams identity, possibly?
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2/3 in 1st 5. Yuck. But after tomorrow night, Jets could be 3 & 3. Oh wow! Or, 2/4 in 6 Which would be even uglier! Go Jets Go. Forward for 1 more, anyways
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Poor passing and/or receiving, puck-handling overall. Connor & Perfetti really struggled to get in the flow, I saw. Leafs were not all-world-beaters by any means. Onto struggling against a solid St.Louis Blues next! Bring 'em on. What "Jets team" shows up for this one?
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I don’t know why we as fans have to make ourselves feel better by making excuses especially playing three games in Four nights. At the beginning of a season. At the tail end of the game last night is when the Jets had the most energy I mean come on people these are professional athletes I think they can handle three games and four nights especially after having a nights rest. Look around the league how many injuries there are teams are finding ways and also playing several games over a Span We don’t have to make excuses let’s just wait and see what his team is made of in the next two weeks.
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I guess 2 and 3 with wins over nyr and Colorado but losses to Dallas Vegas and Toronto are 2 much for some.
5 games 5 playoff teams.
I'd be more disappointed if we were 2 and 3 after playing non playoff teams
5 games 5 playoff teams.
I'd be more disappointed if we were 2 and 3 after playing non playoff teams
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