Injury Report: Jets health in the playoffs

[scelaton]

Maybe we could go with "irreverant"?

I dunno, it looks a lot like "irrelevant" when you read it quickly. You might have to learn to live with sassy.

 

[Snowboy]

I think it’s not all about Stanley. I think it’s more about Stanley playing ahead of what many people think are potentially better options….usually smaller ones…..usually known more for their offense than their defense. Not naming names….just saying he will probably be eating popcorn for one more year before he heads back to Finnish his career with some home cooking.

At this point , i believe Heinola has been relegated to next year territory to bulk up into his "man body" and improve his speed. Being sheltered from the slam/banging NHl, much like Perffeti's pattern, but more so. Arniel has lots of patience for little people in the NHL.

 

[Bender Duster]

At this point , i believe Heinola has been relegated to next year territory to bulk up into his "man body" and improve his speed. Being sheltered from the slam/banging NHl, much like Perffeti's pattern, but more so. Arniel has lots of patience for little people in the NHL.

Perhaps if he trains with Ekblad and Schmidt in the offseason he could do some bulking up?

 

[cneely]

No they don't, they don't show shitty passes that DONT result in turnovers or bad plays in the future. So keep trying.
A puck gets thrown into someones skates, that other person has to change what they were doing, resulting in a chain of events that could go well or go bad. Stats don't show that. That happens 100s of times a game.

If Stanley is consistently making gaffs with the puck... and he is... they will show up as xGA unless he has the reincarnation of Bobby Orr covering his mistakes. More mistakes, more chances against. Stats will 100% show that.

 

[Eyeseeing]

People just parrot what they've heard so they can feel like part of a tribe

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He doesn’t suck, but he’s not our only option.
Some folk here think they are the smartest people in the room when it comes to hockey and therefore come across as prigs ( not you but some others for sure ) …board bullies.
Stanley is a net liability and can be counted on to take untimely penalties.
He will have a few good games but he has many more bad ones.
Unless anyone on here played in the NHL , then anyone’s opinion is valid concerning Stanley.
It would be like a recreational low handicap golfer telling other golf fans how to play the game at a high level.
I hope he doesn’t draw in but if he does I hope he does well.

 

[Whileee]

So, what's your theory about why Stanley's numbers seem to outperform what we're seeing on the ice (and why people think Stanley's worse than he actually is?).

Not being combative, just genuinely curious. It's it an anomaly? Sample size? Bias?

I think the secret is tied to why the Jets keep using him despite fans stunning to have a seething hate for him.

My view of Stanley is that he's fine and steady for most of the time, but then he'll have a horrible play or shift or penalty that leads directly to goals against, often at high leverage times, it seems. So his overall metrics are meh, but he's a ticking time bomb.

On the other side of the equation, he really adds nothing of much value on the positive side. He generates very little offense and doesn't really intimidate anyone, especially against top teams in important games. Consider Fleury last game as a contrast... he made a great slap pass down to Connor that led to the OT goal. I don't think Stanley has made a really positive offensive play in the playoffs since the series vs. the Habs

 

[Skidooboy]

again.
ARNEIL ..Jack Adams, President's Trophy finalist. 116 points, STARTED STANLEY 60+ times both playoffs and Reg season...

so WHO here has more experience, knowledgeand is closer to the situation than the coach?

if you think your analysis of GFX/F#min dim7th, ChevyCorsica G1M/WA410Y, +- PDODO+ or whatever is soooo amazingly valid? Then why do we win games with him in the lineup? Why does the coach put him in? Again and Again and Again...why does the COACH say he gives us the best chance to win?

Maybe...just maybe... you are using stats you don't really understand, to push a narrative you want, because one time you saw a thing and noticed it instead of ignoring it and moving on like you have with EVERY OTHER PLAYER WHO MAKES MISTAKES IN THE NHL.

Stanley is a 6-7 D-man on a league leading, playoff series winning team...... the coach keeps putting him in....

what are you even talking about?

 

[LowLefty]

My view of Stanley is that he's fine and steady for most of the time, but then he'll have a horrible play or shift or penalty that leads directly to goals against, often at high leverage times, it seems. So his overall metrics are meh, but he's a ticking time bomb.

On the other side of the equation, he really adds nothing of much value on the positive side. He generates very little offense and doesn't really intimidate anyone, especially against top teams in important games. Consider Fleury last game as a contrast... he made a great slap pass down to Connor that led to the OT goal. I don't think Stanley has made a really positive offensive play in the playoffs since the series vs. the Habs

They all make bad plays from time to time - especially in this recent series - I saw give aways by Samberg that were horrible. It happens.
Stan does intimidate some - there's are players out there that do not want anything to do with a guy his size - especially the high skill guys.
His game isn't offense even thought he does have a good shot - so really not expected much there.
His game was really no better or worse than most of the guys on our blueline lately - but he will be singled out because that is what we do sometimes.
I do agree that he is fine and steady most of the time - like our other dmen. And he'll make a horrible play, like the others, from time to time.

I think any of these guys will work on the 3rd pair - especially if the guys up front are playing a complete game and not on their heels - when that happens, our D will spend more time defending and making mistakes (like they all do). Fleury looks his best in that last game when our team was playing their best game.

 

[Whileee]

They all make bad plays from time to time - especially in this recent series - I saw give aways by Samberg that were horrible. It happens.
Stan does intimidate some - there's are players out there that do not want anything to do with a guy his size - especially the high skill guys.
His game isn't offense even thought he does have a good shot - so really not expected much there.
His game was really no better or worse than most of the guys on our blueline lately - but he will be singled out because that is what we do sometimes.
I do agree that he is fine and steady most of the time - like our other dmen. And he'll make a horrible play, like the others, from time to time.

I think any of these guys will work on the 3rd pair - especially if the guys up front are playing a complete game and not on their heels - when that happens, our D will spend more time defending and making mistakes (like they all do). Fleury looks his best in that last game when our team was playing their best game.

Fair enough. My perspective is that Stanley's not the best option, for the reasons I've outlined before. In particular, I think he's a bad partner for Schenn because they both lack mobility and puck movement. Overall, Miller and Fleury are better options in my view.

 

[Buffdog]

They all make bad plays from time to time - especially in this recent series - I saw give aways by Samberg that were horrible. It happens.
Stan does intimidate some - there's are players out there that do not want anything to do with a guy his size - especially the high skill guys.
His game isn't offense even thought he does have a good shot - so really not expected much there.
His game was really no better or worse than most of the guys on our blueline lately - but he will be singled out because that is what we do sometimes.
I do agree that he is fine and steady most of the time - like our other dmen. And he'll make a horrible play, like the others, from time to time.

I think any of these guys will work on the 3rd pair - especially if the guys up front are playing a complete game and not on their heels - when that happens, our D will spend more time defending and making mistakes (like they all do). Fleury looks his best in that last game when our team was playing their best game.

Stanley's good plays are the types of things that coaches will appreciate but the average fan won't

Stick in the right lane, pinning his man to break a cycle, etc

His big issue is stepping up to take the body without proper F support, resulting in odd mans (in my opinion). Those can end catastrophically

 

[LowLefty]

Stanley's good plays are the types of things that coaches will appreciate but the average fan won't

Stick in the right lane, pinning his man to break a cycle, etc

His big issue is stepping up to take the body without proper F support, resulting in odd mans (in my opinion). Those can end catastrophically

I agree - third pairing Dmen are not 100% good at everything.

 

[LowLefty]

Fair enough. My perspective is that Stanley's not the best option, for the reasons I've outlined before. In particular, I think he's a bad partner for Schenn because they both lack mobility and puck movement. Overall, Miller and Fleury are better options in my view.

I think the "best" option is a moving target - and any of these guys will do well or not so well any given night.
I do agree that Schenn / Stan is not a good option for the reason you noted - but I think with our less than physical blueline, one of them should be in - I don't care which.
Fleury should get another game - Stan should wait his turn (because Fleury will eventually also F*** up). Rinse / repeat like it has been all season. None of these guys are sure things - they are all interchangeable based on their most recent progress. All of that may (or has) gone out the window because in PO hockey, I think Scott likes to see a little more weight / grit on our blueline - I can't see a scenario where they are both out (unless injured).

 

[KingBogo]

I think the "best" option is a moving target - and any of these guys will do well or not so well any given night.
I do agree that Schenn / Stan is not a good option for the reason you noted - but I think with our less than physical blueline, one of them should be in - I don't care which.
Fleury should get another game - Stan should wait his turn (because Fleury will eventually also F*** up). Rinse / repeat like it has been all season. None of these guys are sure things - they are all interchangeable based on their most recent progress. All of that may (or has) gone out the window because in PO hockey, I think Scott likes to see a little more weight / grit on our blueline - I can't see a scenario where they are both out (unless injured).

This is a good analysis. I'd personally go Fleury over Stanley, but Arniel does like to balance in some toughness. In reality Chevy has done a good job of building up the depth on the backend, so that we now have 9 legit NHL defenseman so the bottom pairing can be adjusted as needed.

 

[flin flon bombers]

I remember when jets put Donnelly on d in a physical series after playing forward most of the year and did good,sometimes the moment isn't to big for some 6/7 d men and that goes along way,watching stanley he looked comfortable and I'm sure arneil spotted that as well,we don't know what he is like in the dressing room but I'm thinking he is a leader,but who knows.

 

[raideralex99]

He doesn’t suck, but he’s not our only option.
Some folk here think they are the smartest people in the room when it comes to hockey and therefore come across as prigs ( not you but some others for sure ) …board bullies.
Stanley is a net liability and can be counted on to take untimely penalties.
He will have a few good games but he has many more bad ones.
Unless anyone on here played in the NHL , then anyone’s opinion is valid concerning Stanley.
It would be like a recreational low handicap golfer telling other golf fans how to play the game at a high level.
I hope he doesn’t draw in but if he does I hope he does well.

You know how the saying goes ... "if you are the smartest person in the room you are in the wrong room"

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Came for the Jets health status updates, but stayed for the engaging discussion on Logan Stanley!

Is Logan good? Is Logan bad? Stay tuned everyone!

 

[TheGovernment]

Stats will 100% show that. That's how they work over an 82 game sample size. Especially Corsi.... that's IF he commits as many of these plays as you claim.

You're also welcome to look up giveaways/60, then compare to the rest of the team. I've done it

Clearly your eye test can't be trusted, based on your blatant bias

Thats pretty rich as he had a 43% for his Corsi this year hahahahahaha.

But keep telling us all how good he is I guess

So maybe it's your eyes that need some testing there tiger lol.

 

[Buffdog]

Thats pretty rich as he had a 43% for his Corsi this year hahahahahaha.

But keep telling us all how good he is I guess

So maybe it's your eyes that need some testing there tiger lol.

46% at 5v5

Demelo was 50%, for a reference

If you called me tiger to my face, I'd poke my finger hard into your chest and tell you to cut it out. And you would. So don't be an online idiot

 

[Jet]

Thats pretty rich as he had a 43% for his Corsi this year hahahahahaha.

But keep telling us all how good he is I guess

So maybe it's your eyes that need some testing there tiger lol.

See this is the thing I hate.

Just because Buffdog isn't all "Zomg Stanley Is The Worst!" you incorrectly state that he thinks he's good. Please show me posts where he says he's good? Why misrepresent his clearly stated opinion?

How about listen to what others are saying and try having a logical discussion instead?

 

[TheGovernment]

46% at 5v5

Demelo was 50%, for a reference

If you called me tiger to my face, I'd poke my finger hard into your chest and tell you to cut it out. And you would. So don't be an online idiot

Hahahaha. How pathetic do you have to be to try to "intimidate" someone online... No, old man, I will be just fine ya goober.

 

[Buffdog]

Hahahaha. How pathetic do you have to be to try to "intimidate" someone online... No, old man, I will be just fine ya goober.

1200lbs + power lifting total and 14 years jiu jitsu. This old man is more than you could handle, champ

Give me a time and place if you'd like. DMs are easy

 

[TheGovernment]

See this is the thing I hate.

Just because Buffdog isn't all "Zomg Stanley Is The Worst!" you incorrectly state that he thinks he's good. Please show me posts where he says he's good? Why misrepresent his clearly stated opinion?

How about listen to what others are saying and try having a logical discussion instead?

Listen to what? He pointed out Corsi should show he's been bad, which then I posted his Corsi, to show he's bad lol.
You guys live in a world of make believe

 

[TheGovernment]

1200lbs + power lifting total and 14 years jiu jitsu. This old man is more than you could handle, champ

Give me a time and place if you'd like. DMs are easy

Oh oh, now you are posting how tough you are! What an absolute loser you are bud. Absolutely pathetic in every way.

 

[Jet]

Listen to what? He pointed out Corsi should show he's been bad, which then I posted his Corsi, to show he's bad lol.
You guys live in a world of make believe

Nice of you to not address what I said. Par for the course.

I'm not having conversations with people who completely ignore the other poster. Good day.

 

[Buffdog]

Oh oh, now you are posting how tough you are! What an absolute loser you are bud. Absolutely pathetic in every way.