Injury Report: Jets health in the playoffs

[MelikeJets]

Chevy can keep him on the roster, but the HC makes up the lineup card.

Professionals have biases just like everyone else. You hope they have fewer of them or are able to get over them, but they are human. It is no secret that a lot of coaches, scouts and managers in hockey have a size bias. I don't think pride is quite the right word but people have committed to Stanley and they keep hoping he will live up to their commitment. Also very human. It's why my ex wife and I stayed together as long as we did. We both had made a commitment.

Instead of asking why they keep going back to Stanley it might make more sense for us to ask why they keep trying him with a partner who is a bad fit. With the D depth Jets have we should never have seen Stanley/Schenn.

Well put.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Re: bolded

That's exactly what the stats should show if they turned into shots against or xGA (given a proper sample size)

While Stan ranks at the bottom of the Jets defensemen in those numbers, they aren't way out of line. And at the end of the day, somebody needs to be the worst defenseman on the team

His stats say exactly what many of us are saying about him... he's ideally a 7D who can slot in on the bottom pairing provided he has the right partner and his matchups are managed properly

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Doesn't exactly align with the words and actions of the Jack Adams nominated, Presidents Trophy winning HC either.

I think you pretty much nail it with the bolded though. We have 2 camps here, pro-Stan thinks he is a good #6, anti-Stan thinks he is a #7 who needs to be sheltered when played. Barely the thickness of a piece of paper separating the 2 camps. Some people even seem to get confused which camp they are in.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No they don't, they don't show shitty passes that DONT result in turnovers or bad plays in the future. So keep trying.
A puck gets thrown into someones skates, that other person has to change what they were doing, resulting in a chain of events that could go well or go bad. Stats don't show that. That happens 100s of times a game.

That's why we need large data sets. Those things you are describing can go either way but they will be negatives more often than positives. That shows up in the stats in a large enough sample.

 

[Buffdog]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Doesn't exactly align with the words and actions of the Jack Adams nominated, Presidents Trophy winning HC either.

I think you pretty much nail it with the bolded though. We have 2 camps here, pro-Stan thinks he is a good #6, anti-Stan thinks he is a #7 who needs to be sheltered when played. Barely the thickness of a piece of paper separating the 2 camps. Some people even seem to get confused which camp they are in.

There are some people that think that he isn't an NHL defensemen and want the org to move on from him

And I'm not sure if anyone thinks that he's a "good" #6... my personal opinion is that he's adequate there with the right partner and if he's used properly

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I think Stan's success relies fairly heavily on his partner and his match ups... but the same can be said for any 3rd pairing in the league. There's a reason those guys play on the 3rd pair of their team... if they were better, they would be 2nd pairing guys lol

Yes - but it is more critical for some players than for others. Stan's general, all around slowness makes it particularly important for him to have a partner with some speed. That's why Stanley/Schenn is such a bad idea. Instead of compensating for each other, they magnify each other's flaws.

There are some people that think that he isn't an NHL defensemen and want the org to move on from him

And I'm not sure if anyone thinks that he's a "good" #6... my personal opinion is that he's adequate there with the right partner and if he's used properly

OK, there are extreme fringes in each group. I have posted that I never wanted to see him play another game in a Jets uniform after one of his bad games. But he improved and I backed off a little.

I think a lot of the angst is just frustration when we see him played so often when we have alternatives that are at least potentially better.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

again.
ARNEIL ..Jack Adams, President's Trophy finalist. 116 points, STARTED STANLEY 60+ times both playoffs and Reg season...

so WHO here has more experience, knowledgeand is closer to the situation than the coach?

if you think your analysis of GFX/F#min dim7th, ChevyCorsica G1M/WA410Y, +- PDODO+ or whatever is soooo amazingly valid? Then why do we win games with him in the lineup? Why does the coach put him in? Again and Again and Again...why does the COACH say he gives us the best chance to win?

Maybe...just maybe... you are using stats you don't really understand, to push a narrative you want, because one time you saw a thing and noticed it instead of ignoring it and moving on like you have with EVERY OTHER PLAYER WHO MAKES MISTAKES IN THE NHL.

Stanley is a 6-7 D-man on a league leading, playoff series winning team...... the coach keeps putting him in....

what are you even talking about?

You may, or may not have arrived in the right place - but this is such a complete appeal to authority it makes me wonder what kind of discussion you think is appropriate. Coach is infallible. He's not even human. A hockey machine. Fold the site.