Injury Report: Jets health in the playoffs

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[Buffdog]

Looks like he's progressing through the concussion return to play protocol

If there's a morning skate tomorrow and he's OK, I bet he's cleared

I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the line up tomorrow

 

[voyageur]

Looks like he's progressing through the concussion return to play protocol

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If there's a morning skate tomorrow and he's OK, I bet he's cleared

I'd be surprised if he wasn't in the line up tomorrow

I'd be surprised if he got back in that soon. Maybe you put him on the bench, for inspiration, on the PP, like Turgeon was when the Isles beat the Pens in 1993, on Ray Ferraro's play. But jeez you can't help but think he's in a world of hurt if he gets rocked again, and how do you protect him? Blues are predatory.

 

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[Buffdog]

I'd be surprised if he got back in that soon. Maybe you put him on the bench, for inspiration on the PP, like Turgeon was when the Isles beat the Pens in 1993, on Ray Ferraro's play. But jeez you can't help but think he's in a world of hurt if he gets rocked again, and how do you protect him? Blues are predatory.

Yeah, there's a huge risk

But man, it would be tough to sit that one out if you're Schief. He knows that he only has so many more cracks at this

Since it seems like a concussion, the ball is essentially in his court provided the protocol has been followed

 

[jungles]

If it's me I go cautious and sit 55 out one more game. Live and die by next man up.

 

[Buffdog]

If it's me I go cautious and sit 55 out one more game. Live and die by next man up.

Ok, and say the Jets win. Does he play game 1 of round 2?

Two or three more days for a concussion (if that's the diagnosis) is nothing in terms of healing time. It takes weeks to months to heal completely if it's serious enough for him to miss tomorrow

If it's serious, he'll be out long term. But it doesn't appear that way (OR Arniel is using this as gamesmanship)

 

[SimpleSimon]

Who can the Jets take out on the Blues with a legal hit? Someone who is key. Stanley or Lowry could step up.

 

[JetsFan815]

If it is a concussion then even if he is feeling good and passing all tests, he is a no go for the next game. That is non-negotiable as per the NHL protocol on concussions. Each step in the protocol requires a minimum amount of observation time before a player can be moved into the next step. Even in the best case scenario where if the player had no symptoms the next morning it takes about a week to get through all the steps of the process. Doesn't matter if the Jets doctors give him a clean bill of health he won't be able to play if it was a concussion.

 

[flin flon bombers]

for the life of me i can not see a scenario where he is back this soon from a concussion,I'm not sure if this relates to scheif but a few of my concussions came with a touch of kneck damage or tweaked muscles in the kneck area that complicated things even more.but stranger things have happened, and remember they are going to run him.

 

[gojetsgo]

has anyone thought that maybe just maybe we actually don't know what the injury actually is? it's like with ehlers everyone guessing and a new theory popping up every week

 

[roccerfeller]

has anyone thought that maybe just maybe we actually don't know what the injury actually is? it's like with ehlers everyone guessing and a new theory popping up every week

Well we don’t know because they never revealed that information. People are just guessing & making inferences. But we’ve never “actually” known


Either way, game time decision is a positive development.

 

[jetsforever]

If it is a concussion then even if he is feeling good and passing all tests, he is a no go for the next game. That is non-negotiable as per the NHL protocol on concussions. Each step in the protocol requires a minimum amount of observation time before a player can be moved into the next step. Even in the best case scenario where if the player had no symptoms the next morning it takes about a week to get through all the steps of the process. Doesn't matter if the Jets doctors give him a clean bill of health he won't be able to play if it was a concussion.

If that's the case though is Arniel allowed to say he's a game-time decision? Are they any rules regarding how they report injuries?

 

[JetsFan815]

If that's the case though is Arniel allowed to say he's a game-time decision? Are they any rules regarding how they report injuries?

Arniel is allowed to say anything he wants. NHL is a Mickey Mouse league when it comes to injury transparency. I had hoped that would've changed when they went all in on betting but alas it hasn't.

 

[jetsforever]

If it's me I go cautious and sit 55 out one more game. Live and die by next man up.

We're something like 1-7 when Scheif misses a playoff game and if we don't win this one there isn't another
If he's able to play (even if less than 100%) I'm putting him in

 

[Buffdog]

has anyone thought that maybe just maybe we actually don't know what the injury actually is? it's like with ehlers everyone guessing and a new theory popping up every week

Is there another upper body injury that can knock someone out of a game but only have them potentially miss one more?

 

[KingBogo]

Well we don’t know because they never revealed that information. People are just guessing & making inferences. But we’ve never “actually” known


Either way, game time decision is a positive development.

Yep. Everyone is just guessing. Some are even speculating on injury return protocols to an unknown injury. All we know is the coach said he is a game time decision tomorrow. And since not one of us can add even an ounce of factual information beyond that it is all we got. And I will take it.

 

[GNP]

Scheifele played 8 - 10 minutes after he was injured. That tells me it’s not something serious like a broken bone, or torn ligament. Possible he just played hurt tho.

This leads me to think it was a concussion, but at this point, we’re all just speculating.

We have to hope he had a deep bruise or something, and could still come back for Game 7, even if he has to play hurt.

Even if he does, we need a way better performance from Helle, if we expect to win Game 7.

Helle has a mental block about playoff hockey, he needs to overcome, and play thru this, because he obviously has the talent.

 

[winnipegger]

I am resigned to 55 being out. The reality is the jets have the horses to win a close game without him. But the goaltender has to be our best player. Mark has years of hockey ahead of him even at his age, then years of life after hockey. The concussion protocol is in place precisely to stop a player from ruining the rest of his life to help a team win a game.

 

[raideralex99]

So today' at the podium the way Arniel was answering questions he seems to have a big smile when asked about Scheifele playing tomorrow. and says we have to wait and see until tomorrow. I think he plays or Arniel has a great poker face.

 

[jiho]

Regardless how this season ends, next season the Jets have to start implementing load management like NBA players do. The regular season is meaningless. The team needs to do whatever possible to make sure everyone is healthy for the playoffs. Play everyone hard until Christmas and get the team in good position in the standings. After Christmas rotate players out of the lineup giving them games/weeks off to recharge themselves for the playoffs.

 

[bustamente]

We don't know what Scheifele's injury is and the Jets are tight lipped as always, I think he plays

 

[cbcwpg]

If it is a concussion then even if he is feeling good and passing all tests, he is a no go for the next game. That is non-negotiable as per the NHL protocol on concussions. Each step in the protocol requires a minimum amount of observation time before a player can be moved into the next step. Even in the best case scenario where if the player had no symptoms the next morning it takes about a week to get through all the steps of the process. Doesn't matter if the Jets doctors give him a clean bill of health he won't be able to play if it was a concussion.

This relates to a question I was going to ask ( for anyone ) re concussion protocol.

The incident happens during the game, Chef gets laid out, gets up and keeps playing. At no time did the spotter remove Chef from the game re the NHL Concussion Protocol. He leaves the game in the intermission. Now assuming he is looked at by the doctor, and the doctor says he has a concussion, does the team have to call up he NHL officials and report that the player has a concussion? What if he showed no symptoms during the intermission and he’s just kept out as a precaution, but has symptoms hours after the game. Again he is seen by the team doctor, and same question…do the Jets have to report it to the league? Remember the spotter didn’t pull him out of the game.

Basically, what is the team’s obligation to reporting a suspected concussion? When the spotter at the game saw no issue?

 

[scelaton]

If it is a concussion then even if he is feeling good and passing all tests, he is a no go for the next game. That is non-negotiable as per the NHL protocol on concussions. Each step in the protocol requires a minimum amount of observation time before a player can be moved into the next step. Even in the best case scenario where if the player had no symptoms the next morning it takes about a week to get through all the steps of the process. Doesn't matter if the Jets doctors give him a clean bill of health he won't be able to play if it was a concussion.

That's correct

If that's the case though is Arniel allowed to say he's a game-time decision? Are they any rules regarding how they report injuries?

Yes, there are strict rules, which is why Scheifele cannot have been diagnosed with a concussion per se.

Since there is no biomarker or imaging study to make the diagnosis, it is based on observation of the event and symptoms afterward. Since Scheif didn't initially show signs of a brain injury (TBI) on the ice, the doctors may have diagnosed him with a minor head injury that didn't meet the threshold of concussion. That gives them the latitude to follow him daily and make a game-time decision tomorrow.