Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XX (WTF are we going to do this Off-Season edition)

[Tob]

Rangers need to get ahead of this summer and start setting the standard by punishing the underperforming players like zibanejad by announcing the purchase of a school bus recycled from inner city schools and refurbished by sean avery himself to be zibanejad’s plane ride alternative, give him a 24 hour head start if we play vamcouver while the rest of the team flies

 

[IDvsEGO]

OK, but if you're the GM it's your job to know that's the group you have. Make changes to remove some of that fragility, yes... but do your best not to set the damn thing on fire.

Unless the whole thing is a house of cards. In which case. Yes pull the whole thing otherwise you’re left with 8 years of sunk cost fallacy

 

[Machinehead]

I will say this, too: Zibanejad is the only guy we have concrete evidence of having griped about this.

The other guys who struggled all have material issues whether it's injuries or just not being that good (which, you know, Zibanejad has some of that too!)

Say what you will about Kreider, but he adamantly stated he wants to still be here, and not in a snarky way like Zibanejad did.

 

[Siddi]

I will say this, too: Zibanejad is the only guy we have concrete evidence of having griped about this.

The other guys who struggled all have material issues whether it's injuries or just not being that good (which, you know, Zibanejad has some of that too!)

Say what you will about Kreider, but he adamantly stated he wants to still be here, and not in a snarky way like Zibanejad did.

You are dead to me.

 

[Machinehead]

You are dead to me.

Just pointing out the evidence. Zibanejad is vocally unhappy and nobody else is really matching that.

The fact of the matter is he has a NMC and has stated his intention not to waive, so I'd like to see if we can't get on the same page with the guy.

While I don't think his concerns should be ignored, we really need to move forward now.

Drury just got a vote of confidence. Zibanejad is signed. It is what it is.

 

[Tawnos]

Unless the whole thing is a house of cards. In which case. Yes pull the whole thing otherwise you’re left with 8 years of sunk cost fallacy

Unfortunately, that kind of thing isn't fully realistic. You only end up getting half-measures done, like we saw here.

I will say this, too: Zibanejad is the only guy we have concrete evidence of having griped about this.

The other guys who struggled all have material issues whether it's injuries or just not being that good (which, you know, Zibanejad has some of that too!)

Say what you will about Kreider, but he adamantly stated he wants to still be here, and not in a snarky way like Zibanejad did.

Also can look at it Zibanejad is the only one willing to say anything publicly about it. A lot of people don't want to hear it from him, and I don't really blame them. But it makes me think a lot about how much complaining there is that players don't say a lot of non-cliche stuff, and I think it's a bit of a "careful what you wish for" situation. I think a lot of people would be upset with players more often than not if they consistently spoke their mind.

F1 embraces that stuff and leans into the interpersonal dramas that it ends up involving, but plenty of people would have a problem with a lot of that same type of thing coming from players.

 

[Machinehead]

Unfortunately, that kind of thing isn't fully realistic. You only end up getting half-measures done, like we saw here.



Also can look at it Zibanejad is the only one willing to say anything publicly about it. A lot of people don't want to hear it from him, and I don't really blame them. But it makes me think a lot about how much complaining there is that players don't say a lot of non-cliche stuff, and I think it's a bit of a "careful what you wish for" situation. I think a lot of people would be upset with players more often than not if they consistently spoke their mind.

F1 embraces that stuff and leans into the interpersonal dramas that it ends up involving, but plenty of people would have a problem with a lot of that same type of thing coming from players.

Yeah, this is a fair perspective.

 

[QJL]

The team is obviously trying to win so this point is moot.

Whether or not they are good enough to win is a different story

Most of us don’t think they’re good enough to win. It’s clear multiple players on the team don’t give the effort to win. If you want to win it all, there are at least 15 better options.

 

[Siddi]

Just pointing out the evidence. Zibanejad is vocally unhappy and nobody else is really matching that.

The fact of the matter is he has a NMC and has stated his intention not to waive, so I'd like to see if we can't get on the same page with the guy.

While I don't think his concerns should be ignored, we really need to move forward now.

Drury just got a vote of confidence. Zibanejad is signed. It is what it is.

Also worth pointing out is that if someone with Mikas typical humble Swedish manners is pissed at something then there is probably something to it.

@Tawnos touched something noteworthy. What if the group decided that Mika having his NMC as security should be the one voicing the concerns they all have?

 

[Harbour Dog]

@Tawnos touched something noteworthy. What if the group decided that Mika having his NMC as security should be the one voicing the concerns they all have?

I don't remember Mika going to a single optional skate the entire season. They failed to play or practice as a team, I highly doubt they unionized.

 

[Guyute]

The Post needs to let go of Mollie or at least hire someone else to write a majority of the non-Brooks Rangers articles.

Brooks says insane shit but at least there’s some substance behind it. Mollie writes 3000 words of rambling, incoherent drivel. Also, this isn’t a sexism thing. There are plenty of women in hockey journalism who are amazing at their jobs, like Emily Kaplan, Shayna, AJ, just to name a few.

 

[CTRanger]

Also worth pointing out is that if someone with Mikas typical humble Swedish manners is pissed at something then there is probably something to it.

@Tawnos touched something noteworthy. What if the group decided that Mika having his NMC as security should be the one voicing the concerns they all have?

I don't remember Mika going to a single optional skate the entire season. They failed to play or practice as a team, I highly doubt they unionized.

These are both interesting perspectives and either side is possible. There is a possibility that Mika voiced what the group was feeling because of his protection.

I personally feel strongly about not going to optional skates and such as it is certainly part of team building and cohesion.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Just pointing out the evidence. Zibanejad is vocally unhappy and nobody else is really matching that.

The fact of the matter is he has a NMC and has stated his intention not to waive, so I'd like to see if we can't get on the same page with the guy.

This is the part I don't get:

"I'm really unhappy with this organization... also... I AIN'T LEAVING!!!!!"

 

[kovazub94]

Just pointing out the evidence. Zibanejad is vocally unhappy and nobody else is really matching that.

The fact of the matter is he has a NMC and has stated his intention not to waive, so I'd like to see if we can't get on the same page with the guy.

While I don't think his concerns should be ignored, we really need to move forward now.

Drury just got a vote of confidence. Zibanejad is signed. It is what it is.

He only vocally expressed his unhappiness post-factum at the end of the season - not when this group mutiny was taking place. Then he just stayed in front of the cameras looked like a clinically depressed lost poppy in the rain saying he doesn't have an answer or "team has to do better" blah blah blah

 

[kovazub94]

I don't remember Mika going to a single optional skate the entire season. They failed to play or practice as a team, I highly doubt they unionized.

Right, they could've gotten us against the world (including FO) attitude instead.

Sorry I'm bringing up the ultimate leader in his prime but Messier was single-handedly keeping the team focused on the ultimate price while Keenan was playing his head games with players.

 

[Siddi]

These are both interesting perspectives and either side is possible. There is a possibility that Mika voiced what the group was feeling because of his protection.

I personally feel strongly about not going to optional skates and such as it is certainly part of team building and cohesion.

Usually those who dont touch ice during optionals are still at the facility getting treatment, hitting the gym etc. Its not like they are a no show just because they dont lace up.

 

[Siddi]

Right, they could've gotten us against the world (including FO) attitude instead.

I agree, this would have been the best approach.

 

[JohnC]

That's true, but Drury traded for Soucy. He is, therefore, responsible for adding the player the coach played ahead of de Haan.

I'm not even saying that what Drury did was necessarily wrong. I'm just pushing back against the notion that he's a good communicator.

It’s just a bootlick.

We can debate Drury’s ability to manage a hockey team until we’re blue in the face. I don’t know how anyone can come away from the past 12 months and argue that he isn’t dogshit at managing people.

 

[Machinehead]

He only vocally expressed his unhappiness post-factum at the end of the season - not when this group mutiny was taking place. Then he just stayed in front of the cameras looked like a clinically depressed lost poppy in the rain saying he doesn't have an answer or "team has to do better" blah blah blah

How much of it was a mutiny and how much do they just stink?

 

[kovazub94]

How much of it was a mutiny and how much do they just stink?

80/20

 

[Irishguy42]

How much of it was a mutiny and how much do they just stink?

Trick question: HF can't answer this at all.

 

[Tob]

I will say this, too: Zibanejad is the only guy we have concrete evidence of having griped about this.

The other guys who struggled all have material issues whether it's injuries or just not being that good (which, you know, Zibanejad has some of that too!)

Say what you will about Kreider, but he adamantly stated he wants to still be here, and not in a snarky way like Zibanejad did.

Yes! I should have leveraged Kreider against Zibanejad to get you to come around sooner. Kreider is a scholar, sage, and a saint compared to that scoundrel Mika!

 

[Machinehead]

80/20

With the 80 being they just stink.

There may be some issues in the room that need to be settled but pouting over Goodrow didn't make them bad. They weren't a well put together hockey team this past year at all.

 

[Tob]

I don't remember Mika going to a single optional skate the entire season. They failed to play or practice as a team, I highly doubt they unionized.

This is what Abe Lincoln was saying about the effects unions would have on an American Industrial Revolution. Lazy bums are akin to treasoners!

 

[kovazub94]

With the 80 being they just stink.

There may be some issues in the room that need to be settled but pouting over Goodrow didn't make them bad. They weren't a well put together hockey team this past year at all.

Nope, 80 mutiny. Once they set on this path there was no turning it off.