Speculation: Jets - General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation (Part XVIII)

[truck]

Ya, I think we need to keep lodge or they need to add cause that Bickell contract is like a boat anchor. I don't mind Bickell, he would add to our bottom 6. Better than most of what we have.

I am not huge on Bickell either, but I think the assumption here is that Kane overtakes Ladd, thus you are trading a 2nd line LW for a 3rd line RW. That is an obvious loss, but Teuvo and a 1st is huge value compared to Lodge and a mid round pick.

It could be a starting point.

Remove Lodge and I'd like it a lot more.

 

[jetkarma*]

One player I think Chevy may be interested in is Brandon Pirri , he has played well at the AHL level and seems stuck in that gulf between Rockford and Chicago.

Chicago has a lot of prospects and like they have been doing , they will need to pare players again.

He can score but isn't a great skater and has just ok/average size , not sure how good defensively he is now. It was not a strong point. Depending on price or as part of a trade , but Chevy should have a good idea on him as potential NHL regular.

 

[Hunter368]

It is not a bad start if you view Ladd as one of the forwards that needs to go.

Bickell is overpaid but he is a very serviceable 3rd line player who is a 30-40 point guy.
Teravainen is a top 10 prospect not in the NHL. He is also a high end forward prospect that we don't have outside Petan. That speed player with top notch hands.
1st round pick is a nice to have and adds to our prospect pool

Now I would not want to give up lodge. I would rather give them a 3rd round pick this year

Are you suggesting that Ladd is one of the players that "needs" to go?

The same guy who has won gold for team Canada, won two Stanley Cup rings, solid goal scorer the last three seasons, our team Captain and won the best +/- award in the AHL?

 

[meedle]

Are you suggesting that Ladd is one of the players that "needs" to go?

The same guy who has won gold for team Canada, won two Stanley Cup rings, solid goal scorer the last three seasons and won the best +/- award in the AHL?

I think you need to look at it like, Ladd is up in 2yrs. Will he want to stay to reup. How much will it cost to reup. If he doesn't reup, can you get a better return later? Is he going to be a 2LW going forward or a 3LW? Or is Kane getting moved and he going to be 1LW?

To me I don't think you can get much more than that for Ladd. TT is going to be ready next year or the year after, you get a late 1st unless they get knocked out early which adds to the prospect pool which is lacking.

 

[gqmixmaster]

evander kane or byfuglien for Mike Richards

 

[truck]

It is not a bad start if you view Ladd as one of the forwards that needs to go.

Bickell is overpaid but he is a very serviceable 3rd line player who is a 30-40 point guy.
Teravainen is a top 10 prospect not in the NHL. He is also a high end forward prospect that we don't have outside Petan. That speed player with top notch hands.
1st round pick is a nice to have and adds to our prospect pool

Now I would not want to give up lodge. I would rather give them a 3rd round pick this year

I agree.

Teuvo is the key piece in that deal, not Bickell. Many believe he can be a 1st line forward and he many not be that far away. He is already playing very well vs men overseas. If Chevy believes in that upside there is plenty of reason to consider the move.

 

[jetkarma*]

I think you need to look at it like, Ladd is up in 2yrs. Will he want to stay to reup. How much will it cost to reup. If he doesn't reup, can you get a better return later? Is he going to be a 2LW going forward or a 3LW? Or is Kane getting moved and he going to be 1LW?

To me I don't think you can get much more than that for Ladd. TT is going to be ready next year or the year after, you get a late 1st unless they get knocked out early which adds to the prospect pool which is lacking.

It would be a late first regardless of being knocked out early or not .

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Are you suggesting that Ladd is one of the players that "needs" to go?

The same guy who has won gold for team Canada, won two Stanley Cup rings, solid goal scorer the last three seasons, our team Captain and won the best +/- award in the AHL?

I said if you view him as the player that needs to move. I think they are looking at moving one of Kane/Ladd/Wheeler and Bogo/Enstrom/Buff and I think they want to move forward with a different core being the "leaders".

Personally I wouldn't want Ladd to move but I can see why he would be valuable as a trading chip for certain teams.

 

[almostawake]

It is not a bad start if you view Ladd as one of the forwards that needs to go.

Bickell is overpaid but he is a very serviceable 3rd line player who is a 30-40 point guy.
Teravainen is a top 10 prospect not in the NHL. He is also a high end forward prospect that we don't have outside Petan. That speed player with top notch hands.
1st round pick is a nice to have and adds to our prospect pool

Now I would not want to give up lodge. I would rather give them a 3rd round pick this year

I think TT and their 1st is a decent starting point but the problem I think you're overrating Bickell if you think he's capable of 30-40 points. At this point in time the truth is probably more like 20 points. Which would be fine because of what he can contribute in other the other aspects of the game were he not owed 13M over the next 3 seasons. Like Bickell's contract expired the Jets would have to resign both Scheifele and Trouba.

 

[meedle]

I said if you view him as the player that needs to move. I think they are looking at moving one of Kane/Ladd/Wheeler and Bogo/Enstrom/Buff and I think they want to move forward with a different core being the "leaders".

Personally I wouldn't want Ladd to move but I can see why he would be valuable as a trading chip for certain teams.

I agree with you for the most part. I don't think Enstrom is going anywhere. Our LHD depth sucks hard atm. Our RHD, we have alot of depth there.

 

[CaptainChef]

I think I would do the deal with Chicago. Ladd is not that crucial a piece here anymore and we could be in worse shape trying to trade him in a year when his contract is nearly up. Lodge may be good but he is unproven and never even made the US Junior team. TT is the biggest piece in this deal no doubt about it - he is going to be good. Can never have enough first round picks even if its a very late first rounder. Not wild about Bicknell or his contract but don't know too much about him. I'm a go for this now or play around with some of the minor pieces and make it even better.

 

[rahzar]

I think TT and their 1st is a decent starting point but the problem I think you're overrating Bickell if you think he's capable of 30-40 points. At this point in time the truth is probably more like 20 points. Which would be fine because of what he can contribute in other the other aspects of the game were he not owed 13M over the next 3 seasons. Like Bickell's contract expired the Jets would have to resign both Scheifele and Trouba.

We also have both buyouts left. So they could use one on Bickell if they really wanted to. Would leave us with more cap-space as well since Ladd would be gone.

 

[ps241]

I don't think our FO expects us to be a bottom 10 team in two years, that's why I said 2015 instead of next year.

2015 is next year

In fairness to bazaaa the calander just flipped a few weeks ago

 

[Whileee]

One player I think Chevy may be interested in is Brandon Pirri , he has played well at the AHL level and seems stuck in that gulf between Rockford and Chicago.

Chicago has a lot of prospects and like they have been doing , they will need to pare players again.

He can score but isn't a great skater and has just ok/average size , not sure how good defensively he is now. It was not a strong point. Depending on price or as part of a trade , but Chevy should have a good idea on him as potential NHL regular.

How is Pirri any different/better than O'Dell?

 

[truck]

I think TT and their 1st is a decent starting point but the problem I think you're overrating Bickell if you think he's capable of 30-40 points. At this point in time the truth is probably more like 20 points. Which would be fine because of what he can contribute in other the other aspects of the game were he not owed 13M over the next 3 seasons. Like Bickell's contract expired the Jets would have to resign both Scheifele and Trouba.

Bickell is likely in there to even out the $$ of a mid season trade.

Different things could happen in the off-season, but I agree that his contract stinks.

Perhaps Chevy would push for more knowing that. The Hawks have a load of solid prospects. Lots at the pro level. Lots of centres. Lots of D. These are appealing and could expedite growth for the Jets.

 

[Whileee]

We also have both buyouts left. So they could use one on Bickell if they really wanted to. Would leave us with more cap-space as well since Ladd would be gone.

Right. Maybe we could then use the cap space on a top-6 winger who has good size, is a great leader, tough as nails, consistent 50-60 point producer. Oh... wait a minute.

 

[LadyJet26]

evander kane or byfuglien for Mike Richards

All kinds of no on that one.

As much as I love Mike Richards and assuming he wants to be closer to his fiance (since she's from here), but why on earth would you want to make LA even better?

 

[Hunter368]

I think you need to look at it like, Ladd is up in 2yrs. Will he want to stay to reup. How much will it cost to reup. If he doesn't reup, can you get a better return later? Is he going to be a 2LW going forward or a 3LW? Or is Kane getting moved and he going to be 1LW?

To me I don't think you can get much more than that for Ladd. TT is going to be ready next year or the year after, you get a late 1st unless they get knocked out early which adds to the prospect pool which is lacking.

I think we (Chevy) needs to look at how he wants to build the team in the big picture. I see this trade making us worse now, but maybe better in the long run (if the prospect & pick works out well). Do we build a team with generally the same age range (young same as all our top players) with just a few older guys? I wouldn't even want Bickell at his current salary, he had one good playoff and cashed in and hasn't lived up to the contract. Now Bickell is near untradeable.

 

[rahzar]

Right. Maybe we could then use the cap space on a top-6 winger who has good size, is a great leader, tough as nails, consistent 50-60 point producer. Oh... wait a minute.

Are you implying Ladd is a consistent 50-60 point producer?

 

[truck]

Right. Maybe we could then use the cap space on a top-6 winger who has good size, is a great leader, tough as nails, consistent 50-60 point producer. Oh... wait a minute.

Trade wouldn't be about this year or next. Teuvo may be a 1st line forward in 3 years - Ladd likely won't. It is all about TT's perceived ceiling.

 

[jetkarma*]

How is Pirri any different/better than O'Dell?

That's the question Chevy would have to answer. From the little I have seen he "could" be ...smoother with the puck , better at utilizing his wingers ... more upside?

 

[Whileee]

Are you implying Ladd is a consistent 50-60 point producer?

Let me check and see...

2010-11: 59 points
2011-12: 50 points
2012-13: 46 points in 48 games (on pace for 79 points)
2013-14: on pace for 51 points.

Yes indeed, I am implying that Ladd is a consistent 50-60 point producer at this stage of his career.

 

[CaptainChef]

Trade wouldn't be about this year or next. Teuvo may be a 1st line forward in 3 years - Ladd likely won't. It is all about TT's perceived ceiling.

this trade looks good in so many ways. We'd definitely be getting the best player in the deal, we'd be getting more of our skill players in the same age group. There would be some growing pains in the next year or two, and we would feel the loss of Ladd until a new/better captain steps up, but boy would I love to see this trade happen.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Are you implying Ladd is a consistent 50-60 point producer?

He has been for the last three years (and higher, if you believe in 'pace' - on pace for almost 80 last year). I think he's on pace for around 50 this year.

So yes, Ladd is a 50-60 point player. He'll decline at some point, so I guess you have to try to determine when that's going to happen.

Edit: Whilee beat me too it, with far more detail.

 

[Positive]

He has been for the last three years (and higher, if you believe in 'pace' - on pace for almost 80 last year). I think he's on pace for around 50 this year.

So yes, Ladd is a 50-60 point player. He'll decline at some point, so I guess you have to try to determine when that's going to happen.

Edit: Whilee beat me too it, with far more detail.

On that note, can anyone think of any notable players who peaked in their production at an age > 28? > 30?