Speculation: Jets - General Rumour, Trade, Free Agent and Waiver Speculation (12-13 Part XIII)
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truck
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There's a reason Edmonton is considering shopping a #2 Center on a team lacking Center depth.
He's a tweener thatcan produce with talented players but can't compete with the 6'4 heavy centers that can skate and have skill as well.
He's always going to be a #2 on losing teams that are looking for his replacement through the draft I'd imagine.
He's a tweener thatcan produce with talented players but can't compete with the 6'4 heavy centers that can skate and have skill as well.
He's always going to be a #2 on losing teams that are looking for his replacement through the draft I'd imagine.
Was talking with a friend at work about this. I think Ganger would be fine second line center on a team where the first line draws the tough matchups.
I realize while saying that now i would not be opposed to him on our team (if not for the likelyhood of scheif coming in very soon).
With Ladd Little and Wheeler pulling the tough matchups, I think Ganger would be very succesfull playing on the "sheltered scoring line" with Kane and Mystery Right Wing. THat really seems to be the role that he'd be most effective in, but unfortunately with the oil he's stuck having to do the defensive
Now that being said, I highly doubt we make any sort of play for him, as others have stated. Depending on the assets going out I really would not be opposed to acquiring ganger. Unfortunately He'd probably cost more then he's worth to us, especially with Schief hopefully being ready.
I realize while saying that now i would not be opposed to him on our team (if not for the likelyhood of scheif coming in very soon).
With Ladd Little and Wheeler pulling the tough matchups, I think Ganger would be very succesfull playing on the "sheltered scoring line" with Kane and Mystery Right Wing. THat really seems to be the role that he'd be most effective in, but unfortunately with the oil he's stuck having to do the defensive
Now that being said, I highly doubt we make any sort of play for him, as others have stated. Depending on the assets going out I really would not be opposed to acquiring ganger. Unfortunately He'd probably cost more then he's worth to us, especially with Schief hopefully being ready.
Personally i just think theres too many ways to skin a cat to make a statement like that. I think he could definitely do it as long as the teams built the right way.
Not saying we'll build that way, but he's got the tools to excel in that role, and i think he's good enough at it that he could do it. YMMV, i just think the types of players that really do exclude themselves from "championship" teams are few and far between.
Holden Caulfield
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Agreed that he could be a player for a championship team. However I believe we have a #2 that is very similar to him in Little. I don't want Little-Gagner as our top 2 centers, we will never be able to compete with the Backes, Toews, Kopitar, Getzlaf, Thornton's of the west with those two small centers on our top 2 lines. If we move Little to wing and find a different big #1 C, it may work, but right now I just don't see Gagner as an option right now.
allan5oh
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Anyone here interested in Matt Cullen? I was going through stats and he is 4th in the league in p/60 production 5v5. I can't honestly say I've paid much attention to him, that's why I'm asking here.
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+17+20
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67+17+20
None whatsoever. While a good player, he is already 36 years old and would not help our top 6 IMO. That being said, I would gladly trade Olli for him
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Hey guys, I wandered into the muddy waters of ESPN hockey articles, but suprisingly I found something potentially worth a read
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/stor...ypuck-approach-help-league-small-market-teams
You need a subscription (lol) but I'll post their cantidates for economical free agent signings. (Assuming this is okay mods?)
Now Detroit is usually pretty on top of things when it comes to resigning their own players. It's unlikely Brunner actually make it to UFA. But if he did, we could potentially add a 27 year old RW that has 11 goals, 22 points in 38 games. And as stated above he can actually handle the puck and create chances on the PP which is a skill pretty much everyone other than our first line lacks.
Antropov, Wellwood (RW), Santarelli (RW) and Miettinen (RW) are all UFA this summer and I doubt more than one returns. Assuming we're shopping for more "2nd-3rd tier" free agents I think this guy could be a great fit as a RW with Jokinen/Kane or Tangradi/Burmistrov.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/stor...ypuck-approach-help-league-small-market-teams
You need a subscription (lol) but I'll post their cantidates for economical free agent signings. (Assuming this is okay mods?)
Now Detroit is usually pretty on top of things when it comes to resigning their own players. It's unlikely Brunner actually make it to UFA. But if he did, we could potentially add a 27 year old RW that has 11 goals, 22 points in 38 games. And as stated above he can actually handle the puck and create chances on the PP which is a skill pretty much everyone other than our first line lacks.
Antropov, Wellwood (RW), Santarelli (RW) and Miettinen (RW) are all UFA this summer and I doubt more than one returns. Assuming we're shopping for more "2nd-3rd tier" free agents I think this guy could be a great fit as a RW with Jokinen/Kane or Tangradi/Burmistrov.
truck
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Brunner would be awesome. I could definitely see Raymond and Bicklell being on TNSEs radar too.
I would be game for Wolski too, but I can't see Chevy going that way. I mean, he passed last year. Adding Wolski and retaining Santorelli would be a nice slice for shootouts though.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Raymond is definitely a guy that I would be interested in from a Jets perspective. I hope Chevy is too. He'd be a great linemate for Kane.
Kane-Olli-Raymond
The three puck hogs that can skate line! Jk, I think Raymond could be a useful 3rd liner on LW for us, but he's not much of a playmaker at all. He wouldn't do a whole ton to help Kane. All his chances he creates I recall as being based on his speed. They'd be great off the rush but teams would just adjust to make them cycle to beat them.
One of our big problems as a team until lately was that we only seemed to have one line that could cycle the puck. Most of our guys didn't have the puck skills to consistently shield defenders and maintain possession. Raymond would help pressure slower defensemen and our inconsistent PK but he'd also add to this problem.
Could end up staying in Vancouver depending on how his playoffs go too. I'll see a lot more of him then for all I know the year he's having maybe he's gotten better too. Haven't seen many Canucks games this year compared to year's past.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
He's actually got alot of passing ability. Kesler is a friggen puck hog as well, and they functioned very well together. My thought is that even if he's not a great passer(he's ok) he has the speed to be able to get in close to bang in Kane's rebounds and has enough speed to keep up and create chances.
Fair enough we can agree to disagree on this one.
Was looking at Bickell as well but he's pretty similar to what we want to see out of Tangradi I'm figuring.
Given how Horton has played this year.. Brunner might be the only RW UFA under 30 even good enough to crack our top six - which is saying a lot about the lack of depth in this group.
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
That 14.63 OnIce Sh% is pretty friggin high...
Him and Kadri are going to have a harder crash than Eberle did this season with having 12.82 the season prior...
Duke749
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None whatsoever. While a good player, he is already 36 years old and would not help our top 6 IMO. That being said, I would gladly trade Olli for him
Matt Cullen would be an improvement over Jokinen for sure and would be more suited for our 3rd line really. Not a guy we'd really want in the top 6 but then again neither is Joker. He can play on the PK and is at 55.1% on faceoffs compared to Joker's 47.5%. That would be a huge upgrade in that department for us.
truck
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Hopefully Little and Burmi can grow on the dot next year. Players tend to get better year to year when they are young and those two have.
This year will likely be Little's first season finishing over 50%. Burmi is already on par will Joker and better than Antropov. If he continues to progress they team should be better on the dot next year than they were this year.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Re: Raymond
For those thinking about Raymond..I lived in Vancouver for 6 years...watched him all the time...may have to jump off the Lions Gate Bridge if the Jets sign him. An utterly useless player that makes Wellwood look like Datsyuk...please for the love of God no....
For those thinking about Raymond..I lived in Vancouver for 6 years...watched him all the time...may have to jump off the Lions Gate Bridge if the Jets sign him. An utterly useless player that makes Wellwood look like Datsyuk...please for the love of God no....
truck
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Varies with where a player sits in the lineup. Ball park 8-10 is normal. 10 is generally top end players. 12 is Stamkos any higher is Crosby or good luck over small sample.
sully1410
#EggosForEleven
Funny that you say that, because I too have watched him quite a bit. He's a pretty good player and quite useful. He had a bad season last time around as he was recovering from a back injury. He has been very good for Vancouver his year, if you don't believe me, mosy on over to their boards and ask them.
If we do sign him, please make sure there is water under that bridge before you jump...
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
Even Stamkos has only been above *once* 12 since 2007:
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67
I think Kovi is the only one to have 2 seasons above 12% since 2007 * that has played at least half the season *.
But to answer the original question, as Truck said, it depends on the player; higher end talents tend to have higher... but people who aren't generational talents who get gen. talent results don't tend to hit them twice.
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This is why when I fantasy draft a team on NHL 13, and pick outside the top 5, I ALWAYS take Kovy.
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