GDT: Jets @ Devils, 7:00 PM, MSG

[glenwo2]

I know Blackwood is bad. Schmid might only be bad.

From what we saw when he was up here last, he's not bad at all.

You're taking one short instance upon his return to the AHL where he struggled and saying he's bad....when that's not the truth at all.

 

[Guttersniped]

That's actually some list there.

A couple of good goalies in between Brodeur and DiPietro, but no one really elite, other than Luongo and to a lesser extent Giguere. Thibault had a decent career, Can you really consider Cloutier a decent career? He played a considerable number of games and a good season or but...... He played really small and gave up some backbreakers that made him famous. I remember Jamie Storr, but I don't think he became anything great. Marc Denis was solid, but he was stuck on expansion Columbus in his prime. Biron had a good career and Boucher did, though looked like he was going to have a much more promising career than he did.

Damphousse LOL.

Where is Ari Ahonen? Wasn't he 1999?

Brian Finley and Brent Krahn were legendary busts. Even more suspect than the Rangers with Blackburn and Montoya a few years apart in the top-10. 5 combined NHL apperances between the two of them. 4 for Finley and 1 from Krahn.

I read something a long time ago about Brian Finley and he actually became a cop. He retired from hockey when he was still in his 20's and went into law enforcement. You always gotta cover your tracks and have something else lined up, just in case it doesn't work out, right? Even if you're the 6th overall pick in an NHL draft!

Giguere was traded for the 2nd time in 2000 for a 2000 2nd Rd pick (#43).

Thibault was traded in 1998 for the 2nd time, after being in the Roy trade in 1995, in a multi-player deal involving Jeff Hackett that others can break down if they’re so inclined.

So neither is going to be seen as being in the running for best goalie drafted since Brodeur at that point.

I was more talking about where these guys were around the 2000 draft when DiPietro was drafted.

My point is that it wasn’t that bold of a claim (though Luongo was already doing well in the NHL, so trading him to potentially upgrade in bizarrely bad trade is hilarious.)

It’s by nature not a timeless claim and that decade is pretty meh other than Luongo too.

Obviously many of the best goalies of any decade wouldn’t be drafted in 1st round either but I mostly wanted to drag Milbury (truth be told).

 

[Guttersniped]

I don’t even understand what’s being debated here.

Schmid is waiver exempt until 2025-26 or 45 NHL games played. We can get a back-up and have Schmid.

Blackwood has a 3.36m QO and has never stayed healthy for longer than a month and half.

Both sides, management and Blackwood, are reportedly interested in a break-up after sticking it out for one more season for the sake of the children.

He gone, it doesn’t really matter what people want.

 

[Saugus]

First game I've had a chance to watch in a while. Hope the Devils come out strong even on the back to back.

 

[Triumph]

Wait...a veteran backup is going to cost nothing? I thought we were letting Blackwood walk to save money...

I just saw recently the average salary of all 74 goalies in the NHL this season is 3.3million....isn't that going to be what a veteran backup cost?

Then why not just keep Blackwood?

Another brilliant post. The Devils aren't signing another average goalie - they're signing a likely below-average goalie. That's why that goalie will be a backup goalie and will be content to be so.

The reason to not sign Blackwood is that in addition to being a below-average goalie, he cannot stay healthy. He can get a better opportunity elsewhere.

 

[My3Sons]

Who knows? Maybe Blackwood gets a shutout today and all the sudden he's a good goalie again lol.

Just imagine!

It's easy if you try

Right @My3Sons ?

I’ve thought of that as well. Good work there. I had even done a few lyrics but never got them to where I wanted them.

Imagine McKenzie Blackwood
It’s easy if you try
He can play with consistency
@Bleedred will lose his mind


Originally it was “just might die” but I felt that was too dark and I didn’t want to put that on you.

 

[goonybird]

Why would anybody want Blackwood? He's a fool. Can't even hold onto his stick

 

[JimEIV]

Another brilliant post. The Devils aren't signing another average goalie - they're signing a likely below-average goalie. That's why that goalie will be a backup goalie and will be content to be so.

The reason to not sign Blackwood is that in addition to being a below-average goalie, he cannot stay healthy. He can get a better opportunity elsewhere.

Give me an example of a "veteran goalie" capable of playing 20 to 30 games that is significantly cheaper than 3 million.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Give me an example of a "veteran goalie" capable of playing 20 to 30 games that is significantly cheaper than 3 million.

Maybe Varlamov if he doesn't want to move his family that far but no one else really comes to mind

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I was very amused when I learned Doug “acquired Kris Draper for $1” Maclean was a commentator in Canada.

Man that is a deep cut to slag Jets fans

Don't ask us what we traded Stu Barnes for.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Goalie market is going to be horrible this offseason. Guys like Reimer (.895 sv%, 2.25m cap hit this year) might even get raises. Would not be shocked if NJ qualifies Blackwood.

Edit: if only because it's a one year deal and you can't get a UFA goalie for one year unless it's the absolute bottom of the barrel.

 

[JimEIV]

Maybe Varlamov if he doesn't want to move his family that far but no one else really comes to mind

Varlamov's current contract pays him 4mil

 

[MadDevil]

Give me an example of a "veteran goalie" capable of playing 20 to 30 games that is significantly cheaper than 3 million.

Here's a list. Find somebody.

2022-23 Active NHL Players - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

2022-23 NHL players who are currently active in the league

www.capfriendly.com

 

[Triumph]

Give me an example of a "veteran goalie" capable of playing 20 to 30 games that is significantly cheaper than 3 million.

Stolarz, Rittich, Anderson, possibly Lankinen, and I'd think about Korpisalo. I never said these are good options - just that they are superior to Blackwood (in terms of expense and baggage with the team) and definitely will cost less than his QO. Schmid's play this year is enough for me to feel confident about having a third guy if the backup falters.

 

[JimEIV]

Here's a list. Find somebody.

2022-23 Active NHL Players - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

2022-23 NHL players who are currently active in the league

www.capfriendly.com

I didn't make the claim that we were going to sign a "cheap veteran backup "(implied cheaper than Blackwood's QI)

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

Varlamov's current contract pays him 4mil

Well yeah that was signed at a time where he was guaranteed being a starter without Sorokin over yet, I also said it's contingent of his family liking the area otherwise the point is moot.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Martin Jones last year signed a one year 2m deal. That's basically what NJ would be hoping to do this offseason and it's really not that much less than Blackwood's 3.36m qualifying offer, but yes something like that if any of the guys Triumph listed was willing to take a one year deal would be better. I think Blackwood's coming back guys...

 

[Bleedred]

Goalie market is going to be horrible this offseason. Guys like Reimer (.895 sv%, 2.25m cap hit this year) might even get raises. Would not be shocked if NJ qualifies Blackwood.

Edit: if only because it's a one year deal and you can't get a UFA goalie for one year unless it's the absolute bottom of the barrel.

Blackwood is not worth his qualifying offer. It’s over $3 million dollars.

Once again, just use Schmid and sign a third string vet guy.

I’m confident we can get it worked out.

Thin goalie market is no excuse to re-sign this shit bag, who isn’t even any good.

And trust me, people here will be whining about it in a year from now when it’s costing us cap space to make a move because we gave so much to a goalie that struggles to stay above .900%.

Just like people are right now about how we had to sign Miles Wood.

Hear me how; believe me later.

 

[Triumph]

Martin Jones last year signed a one year 2m deal. That's basically what NJ would be hoping to do this offseason and it's really not that much less than Blackwood's 3.36m qualifying offer, but yes something like that if any of the guys Triumph listed was willing to take a one year deal would be better. I think Blackwood's coming back guys...

Blackwood's QO is 4.125, I believe team-elected arbitration can get it down to 3.5, but that's it. He's not coming back unless he takes a massive paycut or something totally unexpected happens (Vanecek season-ending injury, etc.)

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Blackwood's QO is 4.125, I believe team-elected arbitration can get it down to 3.5, but that's it. He's not coming back unless he takes a massive paycut or something totally unexpected happens (Vanecek season-ending injury, etc.)

I was going off this:

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Is capfriendly wrong?

 

[Guttersniped]

Goalie market is going to be horrible this offseason. Guys like Reimer (.895 sv%, 2.25m cap hit this year) might even get raises. Would not be shocked if NJ qualifies Blackwood.

Edit: if only because it's a one year deal and you can't get a UFA goalie for one year unless it's the absolute bottom of the barrel.

I think both sides want to end the relationship.

GMs don’t like players who gets injured all the time to the point that they’re this unreliable.

Blackwood going down on 11/3 and not getting back until 12/20, after the season started with all the talk of him being completely healthy, was a big blow to his future here.

That knee injury wasn’t even his only injury so far.

And his play has suffered season after season due to injury, it’s not like missed time is the only problem here.

Obviously no can say for sure what will happen in the rest of the season either. Can he stays healthy? How does he play?

That would affect the odds of him being qualified.

 

[Bleedred]

Martin Jones last year signed a one year 2m deal. That's basically what NJ would be hoping to do this offseason and it's really not that much less than Blackwood's 3.36m qualifying offer, but yes something like that if any of the guys Triumph listed was willing to take a one year deal would be better. I think Blackwood's coming back guys...

Or we could just bring up Schmid and not have to worry about who’s problem Martin Jones or Reimer or Blackwood is next year?

Does Schmid not exist in your world? Is he just a mirage? Was it really Blackwood for those 9 games?

If Schmid doesn’t work out; we try Daws out again or the vet third stringer.

Either way; they’ll be under a million dollars a year AND it’s kind of hard to be worse than Mackenzie Blackwood has been over his last 70 games.

Jack Campbell has been managing to do it pretty well though.

Just end the Mackenzie Blackwood experience, which is gonna go on longer than the Pavel Zacha experience. And even Zacha was a way better player at his position than Blackwood lol.

 

[Triumph]

I was going off this:

Thank You - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Thank you for the amazing 9 years

www.capfriendly.com

Is capfriendly wrong?

No, I forgot that Blackwood signed his current deal after the 2020 MOU which re-interpreted how QOs work vis a vis the final year of an RFA contract. So, that is right, but he's just not coming back at that price. No way.

 

[Bleedred]

I think both sides want to end the relationship.

GMs don’t like players who gets injured all the time to the point that they’re this unreliable.

Blackwood going down on 11/3 and not getting back until 12/20, after the season started with all the talk of him being completely healthy, was a big blow to his future here.

That knee injury wasn’t even his only injury so far.

And his play has suffered season after season due to injury, it’s not like missed time is the only problem here.

Obviously no can say for sure what will happen in the rest of the season either. Can he stays healthy? How does he play?

That would affect the odds of him being qualified.

No one says we have to give him his qualifying offer, so it’s not out of the question that he’s back at a far reduced salary and significant pay cut from this contract.

But if he really wants out, he could go to the UFA market and get that same deal from probably 6 or 7 other teams who would roll the dice on him. Much like Samsonov last year.

And I’m not sure he wants out or not. Maybe he doesn’t, but if he’s only gonna make $1.5 million here to back up Vanecek, maybe he’d be happier making that $1.5 a year to potentially compete to be the starter somewhere else.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Or we could just bring up Schmid and not have to worry about who’s problem Martin Jones or Reimer or Blackwood is next year?

Does Schmid not exist in your world? Is he just a mirage? Was it really Blackwood for those 9 games?

I actually am fine going with an open competition in training camp between Schmid and Daws. I think it's ridiuclous how Goalies are basically given a 5-7 year development path until they get NHL games and then their career possibly ends after a 5-10 games trial by fire. Montembeault in Montreal is the current guy that got left for dead in his career and then he went on a hot streak a month ago and now is considered an NHL G. Just silly.

I think both sides want to end the relationship.

GMs don’t like players who gets injured all the time to the point that they’re this unreliable.

Blackwood going down on 11/3 and not getting back until 12/20, after the season started with all the talk of him being completely healthy, was a big blow to his future here.

That knee injury wasn’t even his only injury so far.

And his play has suffered season after season due to injury, it’s not like missed time is the only problem here.

Obviously no can say for sure what will happen in the rest of the season either. Can he stays healthy? How does he play?

That would affect the odds of him being qualified.

I agree with this, but I also think the possibility that Blackwood at 1 year 3.36 million is attractive to the FO cannot be discounted. The goalie market is so thin right now and the FO might be scared of Daws/Schmid like seemingly every FO is of handing your goaltending over to people without track records. You may not be able to get a G as good as Blackwood for a one year deal at anything sane.