Post-Game Talk: Jets come up short, lose 3-1

Status
Not open for further replies.

surixon

Registered User
Jul 12, 2003
50,885
75,018
Winnipeg
I'm not seeing your first point - but I do see the second.
Forwards are likely on the walls because that's where everything comes from - our D like to wrap it around and hope for the best.
This isn't a strategy - this is the result of being unable to handle play in our own end. By the time we get the puck back, they simply want it out of the zone - call it panic.

There is no way in the world this is by design

Moose play the exact same way so yes it is by design. The Moose do have a good defense and generally are able to hit the forward on the side in stride so they get it out easily. But everything goes up the side for them as well, it most certainly is the teams breakout strategy, it's just that the Jets don't execute it very well.

Part if that is the M2M pulling our players out of position so our breakouts can be disjointed. Moose play more zone in their end so forwards aren't being pulled out of position and are able to get the puck in good spots.
 

Howard Chuck

Registered User
Jan 24, 2012
15,801
20,554
Winnipeg
I watched something else after the second period so maybe the ‘better effort’ I’m hearing about happened in the third.

In the first and second we honestly looked like an AHL team running around being beaten up by an NHL team. It was astounding to me the difference in structure and effort and skill and physicality.

I know we’re missing two good players but go down the list of who was playing last night. I expect more out of most of them. Missing two players should mean you run around like headless chickens.

I hope they can somehow right the ship. Between the lack of structure and dubious player selection over the past couple of years, I’m not holding my breath.

There is no ‘switch’ to flip. If we had it, we would be ramping up for playoffs now like TO and the Oilers are.
 

JetsWillFly4Ever

Registered User
May 21, 2011
6,381
9,585
Winnipeg MB.
Jordie Benn is f***ing awful lol what a braindead trade. I know it's only a 6th but there is no way Samberg/Stanley/Heinola/Kovacevic couldn't easily fill those minutes and gain valuable experience.

We will be out in the 1st round in all likelihood and hopefully that is enough to convince management to can Paul.

What a waste of a season other than the Ehlers breakout. Perfetti had a nice year with the Moose, Heinola looks like the real deal. We need a coach that's not stuck in the dark ages and will go with the youth movement instead of playing Tucker Poolman and Derek Forbort like they are top 4 guys. I understand we don't have great options but there is no way Demelo and Heinola would not be better than them. Stanley probably as well. f***.
 

Gabe Kupari

Registered User
Jul 11, 2013
15,269
14,861
Winter is Coming
Moose and Jets have played similar for years now. I think the Moose have better D than the Jets do and it makes a difference plus like mentioned Vincent doesn't run the man 2 man D very much.
 

Joe Hallenback

Moderator
Mar 4, 2005
15,616
22,457
The have a much better D in the AHL and that system works like it worked with we had Buff and company. It doesn't now and we have to rely on Helly way to much to win games.

There was nothing out right wrong about our game last night other then we were way to passive early and only started to apply some pressure after we were behind. That 3rd if they can duplicate that should lead to some wins but I am not sure if they can play that way

At this point I still don't see why we can't have one of Heinola or Stanley playing at the minimum.
 

LowLefty

HFBoards Sponsor
Sponsor
Dec 29, 2016
7,716
14,073
Moose play the exact same way so yes it is by design. The Moose do have a good defense and generally are able to hit the forward on the side in stride so they get it out easily. But everything goes up the side for them as well, it most certainly is the teams breakout strategy, it's just that the Jets don't execute it very well.

Part if that is the M2M pulling our players out of position so our breakouts can be disjointed. Moose play more zone in their end so forwards aren't being pulled out of position and are able to get the puck in good spots.

Yes, the wingers are going to play on the wing - and they might be picking up outlet passes by the D men in stride (on the Moose)
We are not doing that - our wingers are stationary and the exit is coming via a wraparound -
I don't believe that is by design -
 
  • Like
Reactions: Orrrules

BoneDocUK

Recovering hockey fandoc
Oct 1, 2015
6,959
14,892
Moose play the exact same way so yes it is by design. The Moose do have a good defense and generally are able to hit the forward on the side in stride so they get it out easily. But everything goes up the side for them as well, it most certainly is the teams breakout strategy, it's just that the Jets don't execute it very well.

Part if that is the M2M pulling our players out of position so our breakouts can be disjointed. Moose play more zone in their end so forwards aren't being pulled out of position and are able to get the puck in good spots.

Yep, the Moose run the same breakout "system" and have done for a while now -- and they haven't always had good D running it. I do think it's by design (not how badly they execute it, of course) not least because it mimics how they look to work the puck in and then back to the D in the OZ, with similarly mediocre results. The common denominator, IMO, is the attempt to minimize risk by avoiding the dreaded possibility of a cutoff in open ice -- while not really acknowledging the greater risk of giving up possession tine and tine again, where the opposing team can do what they want and where they want. Also, focusing on M2M means that the players you'd want to have control of the puck for a safe exit aren't always with or even near it.

It becomes a chain of futility, as poster have pointed out, it's exhausting and sacrifices a meaningful rush for a quick chip or holdup before heading to the bench, while the D run long shifts -- IIRC, Forbort was on for more than 2 mins in a single shift at one point yesterday, or roughly 1/6 of the total DD played in the whole damn game -- I am beginning to feel that PoMo just doesn't get or like DeMelo, because there is no way you aren't double-shifting one of your best D when he's playing minutes that scanty and you're chasing it in the 3rd, but I don't remember him playing at all down the stretch.
 

surixon

Registered User
Jul 12, 2003
50,885
75,018
Winnipeg
Yes, the wingers are going to play on the wing - and they might be picking up outlet passes by the D men in stride (on the Moose)
We are not doing that - our wingers are stationary and the exit is coming via a wraparound -
I don't believe that is by design -

Yeah our wingers on the Jets are far too stationary which is one of the issues with our breakouts. As mentioned they are far worse at executing the system. No idea why our coach hasn't addressed this all year.
 
  • Like
Reactions: RabidOne

surixon

Registered User
Jul 12, 2003
50,885
75,018
Winnipeg
Yep, the Moose run the same breakout "system" and have done for a while now -- and they haven't always had good D running it. I do think it's by design (not how badly they execute it, of course) not least because it mimics how they look to work the puck in and then back to the D in the OZ, with similarly mediocre results. The common denominator, IMO, is the attempt to minimize risk by avoiding the dreaded possibility of a cutoff in open ice -- while not really acknowledging the greater risk of giving up possession tine and tine again, where the opposing team can do what they want and where they want. Also, focusing on M2M means that the players you'd want to have control of the puck for a safe exit aren't always with or even near it.

It becomes a chain of futility, as poster have pointed out, it's exhausting and sacrifices a meaningful rush for a quick chip or holdup before heading to the bench, while the D run long shifts -- IIRC, Forbort was on for more than 2 mins in a single shift at one point yesterday, or roughly 1/6 of the total DD played in the whole damn game -- I am beginning to feel that PoMo just doesn't get or like DeMelo, because there is no way you aren't double-shifting one of your best D when he's playing minutes that scanty and you're chasing it in the 3rd, but I don't remember him playing at all down the stretch.

Well said, everything is about limiting risk that we are at a point where our talented forwards have been essentially neutered. Now that we aren't finishing well we don't generate near enough quality looks to offset some poor puck luck.
 

surixon

Registered User
Jul 12, 2003
50,885
75,018
Winnipeg
The have a much better D in the AHL and that system works like it worked with we had Buff and company. It doesn't now and we have to rely on Helly way to much to win games.

There was nothing out right wrong about our game last night other then we were way to passive early and only started to apply some pressure after we were behind. That 3rd if they can duplicate that should lead to some wins but I am not sure if they can play that way

At this point I still don't see why we can't have one of Heinola or Stanley playing at the minimum.

The issue is a lot of that was due to Maurice being forced to release the reigns and allow our players to go for the goal.

Morrissey started rushing the puck and moving up in the play with authority. Why can't we play aggressively all the time and not have to wait until we are trailing.

This team and many of our best players play much better when there isn't the same defensive restrictions put in place.
 
Last edited:

Babooch

Registered User
Jan 7, 2014
1,551
1,449
Top 6 forwards worked much harder on team defense, and when that happens you really notice how ineffective our defense is at helping generate offense thru neutral zone, and getting pucks to the net.

It pains me to watch Tucker P herky jerk his way up ice with the puck like he's having mini seizures. But he works hard, and to be honest he adds as much offense as the 6M D man does.

Loss is a loss, but that was better than watching Helle hung out to dry. That kind of play we saw in the 3rd gives us a chance with Lowry and Ehlers in lineup.
 

Babooch

Registered User
Jan 7, 2014
1,551
1,449
Yeah our wingers on the Jets are far too stationary which is one of the issues with our breakouts. As mentioned they are far worse at executing the system. No idea why our coach hasn't addressed this all year.
Coach should roll tape on how Copp plays in our zone, and tell them to be more like him. Excellent positional puck support by #9.
 

thegr8one66

Registered User
Mar 22, 2010
427
282
Winnipeg
Beyak was a little too excited for McDavids 3 point night.

Be nice when the technology for fans to watch games on TV with in rink sound but no commentary happens one day.

Nice effort at times. Lost the special teams battle and thus the hockey game.

I can't wait until we can control the camera angle we want to watch. I prefer a view where I can see everyone on the ice and not so close.
 

MrBoJangelz71

Registered User
Jan 14, 2014
4,995
6,216
Every team has gone through a bad 10 game stretch, just so happens ours is now. With that said, I do not see this getting fixed till Ehlers and Lowry are back, and Helly returns to Vesna level.

Better than our previous effort, but still not good enough.
 

SUX2BU

Average user of an average team
Feb 6, 2018
18,426
40,506
Canada
I watched something else after the second period so maybe the ‘better effort’ I’m hearing about happened in the third.

In the first and second we honestly looked like an AHL team running around being beaten up by an NHL team. It was astounding to me the difference in structure and effort and skill and physicality.

I know we’re missing two good players but go down the list of who was playing last night. I expect more out of most of them. Missing two players should mean you run around like headless chickens.

I hope they can somehow right the ship. Between the lack of structure and dubious player selection over the past couple of years, I’m not holding my breath.

There is no ‘switch’ to flip. If we had it, we would be ramping up for playoffs now like TO and the Oilers are.

Agreed.

The switch is broken .......

light-switch-jpg.135617
 

robertocarlos

Registered User
Sep 19, 2014
26,344
14,031
My concern isn't about skill, it's if he is physically ready to be able to keep up. I don't want to rush the kid and have him lose confidence.

I definitely get the point on incremental roster improvements adding up and having a decent impact on the team as a whole.

It's a reward with an extra $10k in his pocket. AHL players need the money this year.

AHL players need the money this year.
 

surixon

Registered User
Jul 12, 2003
50,885
75,018
Winnipeg
It's a reward with an extra $10k in his pocket. AHL players need the money this year.

AHL players need the money this year.

Hey like I said give him a game as a reward. My point was about inserting him with the hope that he'd help this teams offense as a first year pro that still has some physical development to do.

I heard about the Leaf money drive. Do we know if those are players with straight AHL contracts or all players in the AHL. I can't imagine the PA allowing NHL teams to greatly slash AHL salaries on players with 2 way or 1 way NHL deals.
 

robertocarlos

Registered User
Sep 19, 2014
26,344
14,031
Hey like I said give him a game as a reward. My point was about inserting him with the hope that he'd help this teams offense as a first year pro that still has some physical development to do.

I heard about the Leaf money drive. Do we know if those are players with straight AHL contracts or all players in the AHL. I can't imagine the PA allowing NHL teams to greatly slash AHL salaries on players with 2 way or 1 way NHL deals.

I don't know the details but the Leafs were trying to help the players in the AHL who are contracted for $70k but only get 50% of that this year and after taxes have $17k left of their earned income. Your first three years in the AHL you are paid at least $500k but maybe some players are not good with money.

Edit: I could find one Leaf making less that $130k this year except the one player making $100k this year and $200k next year.

Pray the Leafs draft you if you play hockey. They're rich.

PS. I make more than 3 Moose and I don't have a job.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: surixon
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad