GDT: Jets @ Avs | 7:30 pm MT | Hellebuyck Emergency

[expatriatedtexan]

He should be.

 

[chet1926]

Good analysis from John Mitchell and the Altitude crew as it pertains to the power play. The book is out on what made their PP so successful early on and the scouts are just too good to not change and adjust. Pretty much exactly what we've been saying for weeks now. Let's see if the coaching staff can take a hint for once.

They won't. Haven't changed a thing in 5 years.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

I agree, I thought they were better than some of their lifeless performances as of late, but they didn't play well. Still lots to be desired. Lot of hope plays, lot of passengers, lot of bad passes, lots of lost puck battles. Overall not awful, but not great either.

Yeah, it was basically one of our better games from back in the Yip, Galiardi, Arnasson, O'Brien, and Stuart days. The Avs have entirely too much talent and too much money tied up in that talent to lay eggs for any prolonged period of time.

It is absolute beyond time for CMac to do something to adress this. Yes, he fixed the goalies but that has only allowed us to see the real rot on the team. I personally don't believe it's the players, I believe it's the coaching and the system that are the problems. I am willing to bet that any coach not named Sacco could do better. In fact, I'd be willing to take Granato back if Q, Gallant, or Bruce B don't want the job.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Good analysis from John Mitchell and the Altitude crew as it pertains to the power play. The book is out on what made their PP so successful early on and the scouts are just too good to not change and adjust. Pretty much exactly what we've been saying for weeks now. Let's see if the coaching staff can take a hint for once.

Unfortunately, it's not just the PP that has been over scouted at this time. There's a reason the Avs have so many of their shots blocked, and why they struggle a lot of the time to really get established in the offensive zone. Some of it is the personnel, but a lot of it is that their "system" is really predictable and teams have figured it out.

 

[wayninja]

I thought they played hard and showed a lot of heart. The problem is that they are just Pejorative Slured.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I thought they played hard and showed a lot of heart. The problem is that they are just Pejorative Slured.

C Hunts?

 

[wayninja]

C Hunts?

Mike Hawks

 

[the_fan]

CMac has done a lot of good things, but the biggest mistake of his is not re-signing Kadri. Mitts really looked like he could be the answer at 2C, but now it’s RyJo situation again. Giving up assets to fix the position, then having to find a taker for a trade. Don’t think we have to give up a 1st for someone to take Mitts though, but it’s still headed to another failed attempt to fix the 2C while we gave up a pretty good player in Byram.

 

[Freaky Styley]

CMac has done a lot of good things, but the biggest mistake of his is not re-signing Kadri. Mitts really looked like he could be the answer at 2C, but now it’s RyJo situation again. Giving up assets to fix the position, then having to find a taker for a trade. Don’t think we have to give up a 1st for someone to take Mitts though, but it’s still headed to another failed attempt to fix the 2C while we gave up a pretty good player in Byram.

If I'm CMac I shake up the coaching staff (even if it's just the assistants) before I give up on Mitts without getting a legit 2C back.

I really don't know what happened to Mitts (injury?) but he's shown he can play. He's just fallen off a cliff.

 

[S E P H]

Was that the same excuse we had against Montreal, Chicago, Winny on the 11th, Oilers, Wild (again on the 20th). This team was winning one and losing one until tonight. Now they've lost two in a row.

Anyone looking to excuse this is not actually interested in winning a championship.

I look at it as baby steps. Your criticism is valid, but every team goes through some lows in the season. Vegas just lost to bottom feeders for the entire last two weeks at home and nobody is complaining about them.

I actually think Mittelstadt throughout his career has been a horrible PP player, both Buffalo and here.

Not going to judge him in Buffalo because it's Buffalo, but it could be a placement issue on the PP with him. He seems like somebody who needs the Mikko Rantanen spot to be effective, but Avs ain't going to give him that because that is Mikko f***ing Rantanen's spot lol. The half wall, where he can use his vision and playmaking ability to make cross-crease passes, tip passes, or one-timer passes much better than Rantanen who just forces plays all the effin' time. I called the CM trade a solid trade, but I never claimed it as great/excellent and that's because the bloke has engagement issues. It prevented him from being a PPG in Buffalo, it caused Buffalo to trade him, and it is causing the fanbase to turn against him here (rightfully so). However, I do think the talent is there to turn it around, you don't go from how he played last season and its playoffs, to opening the season as he did this year, to end up being a ghost for long portions of the game the last two months. Bednar putting him all over the place isn't doing anything great either.

 

[the_fan]

If I'm CMac I shake up the coaching staff (even if it's just the assistants) before I give up on Mitts without getting a legit 2C back.

I really don't know what happened to Mitts (injury?) but he's shown he can play. He's just fallen off a cliff.

The PP is letting this team down for sure, but that’s not on Bednar. He doesn’t run the PP, and I don’t think he’s gonna tell CMac to fire his assistant. They just gotta figure the PP out. Try shooting instead of always trying to make cute passes

 

[chet1926]

Yeah, it was basically one of our better games from back in the Yip, Galiardi, Arnasson, O'Brien, and Stuart days. The Avs have entirely too much talent and too much money tied up in that talent to lay eggs for any prolonged period of time.

It is absolute beyond time for CMac to do something to adress this. Yes, he fixed the goalies but that has only allowed us to see the real rot on the team. I personally don't believe it's the players, I believe it's the coaching and the system that are the problems. I am willing to bet that any coach not named Sacco could do better. In fact, I'd be willing to take Granato back if Q, Gallant, or Bruce B don't want the job.

The depth of this team is being exposed badly right now.

96 is being exposed badly right now.

37 is being exposed to the point I'd kill for JTC.

You've got some great parts, but after great there is a drastic drop off. I feel like it's 2 prime race horses, 1 kind of race horse but sometimes donkey, 1 quality goalie horse, 1 solid backup goalie horse, 3 or 4 decent horses who are at least in the race, then like 12 alpacas who have no f***ing clue what they are doing and running aimlessly down the track.

Then throw in 3 clueless trainers (coaches) and you have our team.

 

[Freaky Styley]

The PP is letting this team down for sure, but that’s not on Bednar. He doesn’t run the PP, and I don’t think he’s gonna tell CMac to fire his assistant. They just gotta figure the PP out. Try shooting instead of always trying to make cute passes

The PP is a glaring issue but it's not the only one. Bednar needs to find a way to spark the bottom of his lineup. I know injuries have been a constant issue, but it can't be an excuse forever. Mitts was one of our best players for the first 20 games or so.

 

[chet1926]

CMac has done a lot of good things, but the biggest mistake of his is not re-signing Kadri. Mitts really looked like he could be the answer at 2C, but now it’s RyJo situation again. Giving up assets to fix the position, then having to find a taker for a trade. Don’t think we have to give up a 1st for someone to take Mitts though, but it’s still headed to another failed attempt to fix the 2C while we gave up a pretty good player in Byram.

Not making that work was the end of this team. He just fit here so well.

Losing him, Landy and EJ has killed the locker room.

 

[chet1926]

The PP is a glaring issue but it's not the only one. Bednar needs to find a way to spark the bottom of his lineup. I know injuries have been a constant issue, but it can't be an excuse forever. Mitts was one of our best players for the first 20 games or so.

The bottom of lineup is so f***ing bad it's not even funny.

Innala 0 pts 15 games
Ivan 8pts in 40 games
Kelly 11 pts in 49 games
LOC 14 pts in 49 games
Kivi 15 pts in 49 games
Parsnip 7 pts 27 games
Malinski 5 pts in 46 games
De Haan 7 pts in 37 games
boatload of other guys who've been in the lineup are all worthless with minimal point totals.

These numbers are eye popping bad. Like how do we even win games bad. Throw in a guy like Mitts who has like 9 pts over his last 25 and we are f***ed.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Not making that work was the end of this team. He just fit here so well.

Losing him, Landy and EJ has killed the locker room.

Cogliano, Helm, and Jack Johnson were also important locker room leaders.

 

[chet1926]

Cogliano, Helm, and Jack Johnson were also important locker room leaders.

Agreed. There is a lot missing from that locker room and it's very obvious.

 

[drhiii]

People need to remember that this team's front office epitomizes the "old boys club" mentality of this league. CMac is Sakic's boy. Bednar is Cmac's boy. Bennett and Pratt are Bednar's boys. They won a Cup together. We'll sooner see a Cale trade than we will a major coaching change. And the season hasn't been such an abject disaster that there's enough fire from fans and the media to push anything in that direction. This is what we're stuck with.

We just have to hope that the players can fix the PP on their own somehow, that guys get healthy and then trust in CMac make some shrewd moves to make this team deep enough for a legitimate run. But as of right now, this ain't it. Not even close.

Serious question... where does Landy fit in this good 'ol boys hierarchy?

 

[RECKLESS]

Not making that work was the end of this team. He just fit here so well.

Losing him, Landy and EJ has killed the locker room.

This is the kind of positivity I trust the forum for.

We lose in OT to the top of the league in a tight game where they score one on a pure lucky bouncer.

I thought we played well and it sucks to lose the way we did. But we ain't dead.

 

[chet1926]

This is the kind of positivity I trust the forum for.

We lose in OT to the top of the league in a tight game where they score one on a pure lucky bouncer.

I thought we played well and it sucks to lose the way we did. But we ain't dead.

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This game isn't the problem. It's the lifeless performances against teams like Chicago, NYR, and Minny that are the problem.

A 2-2-1 homestand is the problem. Where half the time they didn't give a shit.

Sure we lost off a bad bounce tonight, ok so what? Look at the game we got a goal from 29 and 8, elite superstars. Where was the rest of the team? We simply didn't get anything from anyone other than usual suspects. You give them any help and we win.

This team is so far from being competitive it's not even funny.

 

[Moloch]

Jets fan coming in peace to ask why you guys are so hung up about your PP? I know ours is top in the league but we didn't even capitalize on it tonight. Thought yours looked fine. Is ours even that different? We haven't even scored a PPG in the past 4. You have plenty of elite shooters, whats not working?

 

[Jasenr]

Talk about losing with all those opportunities to score.

-Kivi couple breakaways
-Rants goal saved by stick handle
-And whatever else

And then Jets get 1 incredibly lucky goal and one where Parssinen just let his man too far in front.

Feels bad man. Atleast they didnt fold completely so maybe all the optional practises are helping getting their legs back a bit.

 

[Avsfan1921]

Jets fan coming in peace to ask why you guys are so hung up about your PP? I know ours is top in the league but we didn't even capitalize on it tonight. Thought yours looked fine. Is ours even that different? We haven't even scored a PPG in the past 4.

It’s been ice cold for some time and our guys are over complicating things. A lot of forced passes and guys gripping sticks too hard, not getting shots through. It’s to the point that when they do get the opposition moving and create a good shooting lane, they pass up the opportunity. Can’t speak to how different yours is but most here want them to simplify and just shoot shoot shoot. Oh and our zone entry only consists of a drop pass to Mack for the carry-in.

Good game tonight and hope we can face each other in the PO’s, preferably second round or later lol.

 

[Jasenr]

Jets fan coming in peace to ask why you guys are so hung up about your PP? I know ours is top in the league but we didn't even capitalize on it tonight. Thought yours looked fine. Is ours even that different? We haven't even scored a PPG in the past 4. You have plenty of elite shooters, whats not working?

-Losing PP faceoffs almost guarantee
-Takes forever to come back ice
-PP1 uses all time so they are allways gassed
-Pass no shoot
-No movement
-No net front presence without Val
-And what else...

 

[Raucherhusten]

Only watched the 3rd. They looked better than against Minni, which wasn't a big task. But at least they looked like they're trying to win a damn hockey game. "Giving a shit" matters!

And then the OT happened ... Jesus ... how you lose complete sight of one of the THREE players on the ice is beyond me. Pretty sure Nate was suppose to cover the D-Man - did not go well, Nathan, it really didn't.