Explain to me again the fascination with 5v5. Can you show me any proof ant 5v5 production/goal differential is a better predictor of team success than overall goal differential? You keep saying (and others) that top lines need to outchance their opposition at 5v5 but yesterday I brought up the fact that schief and Connor together are ballpark with matthews-marner and mcdavid-hyaman. How good is good enough, and at which point does their PP production make up for their 5v5 stats?
Every elite offensive players in the league scores a disproportionate amount of their points on the PP relative to the number of minutes played there
My post said that they carried the team offensively
when ppl are talking about the line's performance, they are talking about 5v5 game-play, not PP. team all-strengths goal-differential is important & includes special teams. 5v5 is 80%+ of the TOI, and PP/PK has higher TOI efficiency for GF or GA. players who only PK will be hurt in all-strengths goal differential and the other way for PP. on a team level it's a good indicator for sure.
Ive tried to bring up 5v5 goal-differential every post in this endless discussion since fancy-stats are dumb, malarkey w/e annotation has been given to them along the way.
i don't care about xGF% as much when looking back at how they performed relative to goals. if a line was 49 xGF% but a +10 for example.... like the idea of complaining about winning a chance share 51-49 rather than 49-51 is stupid as hell to me when you're outscoring them by 10.
so you bring up all those duos, how about goal-differential? unless that's fancy stats if so my apologies.
since the start of last year. from naturalstatrick at 5v5 (comparing apples to apples and independent of PP time), and not standardized per TOI
mcdavid-hyman-x are 79 GF 42GA
scheifele-connor-x are 36 GF 37 GA, remove ehlers; 30 GF 34 GA
matthews-marner-x are 46 GF 28 GA
last i checked TOR or EDM don't have anything close to Hellebuyck behind them either.
& ok sorry.
yes the players who get the most pp time - where there's the highest potential for offensive efficiency & almost 0 needs to play defense - are likely going to be carrying a team offensively. like what do you expect? players who are not allowed on the PP to be the highest scorers? or the guys playing PP2?
how about the actual 5v5 game play and line configs - which encompasses aspects of both GF and GA - and is the actual crux of this discussion.