Post-Game Talk: Jets 6 - Rangers 3

[surixon]

Didn't get any points, but I thought Perfetti had a hell of a game.

He's starting to show a lot without the puck on his stick.

I like he's developing some nice strength and a bit of chipiness. When the smallest guy on the team isn't willing to put up with being targeted by questionable hits and starts retaliating in kind I think it has an impact on the rest of the guys. We honestly need more of that attitude, you target us and we'll target you right back.

This team has an opportunity to start a new chapter (narrative) about who they are in the playoffs because last playoffs sadly was right on brand for who we are in that annual tournament format.

That being said we just had remembrance day, Winter hasn’t started, and playoffs aren’t for 5 months so right now I am enjoying the historic run because it’s starting to defy words. In my new , its all about the journey path, I have to say this is as good as it gets.

I am slightly more optimistic about that. For once the group didnt make excuses for their poor performance. They actually seemed embarrassed and angry and imo that is something all great playoff teams go through before they truly develop the mindset to get it done. But the proof will be in the pudding come spring time.

 

[SUX2BU]

I'm running out of overreactions, tbh

Here's one ..........

 

[Jets 31]

The Jets are playing as a team not as individuals , how else can you explain this goal.

 

[John Agar]

Also, I would like to welcome all of the new users to our board - I guess we really are a wagon.

Born under True North...

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

if the trade deadline were tomorrow, what do you trade for? Who realistically can you say should come out of the lineup for a rental.

You trade for a value 2C/top 6 forward
Sit him in the press box in case of injury and roll with the best lineup in the league.

 

[ps241]

He's starting to show a lot without the puck on his stick.

I like he's developing some nice strength and a bit of chipiness. When the smallest guy on the team isn't willing to put up with being targeted by questionable hits and starts retaliating in kind I think it has an impact on the rest of the guys. We honestly need more of that attitude, you target us and we'll target you right back.



I am slightly more optimistic about that. For once the group didnt make excuses for their poor performance. They actually seemed embarrassed and angry and imo that is something all great playoff teams go through before they truly develop the mindset to get it done. But the proof will be in the pudding come spring time.

For me it’s all good. I am not sure how the playoffs will go it’s so far away anything could happen between now and then. Mostly I just want to enjoy the 6 months of hockey and the ups and downs of the 82 games.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Didn't get any points, but I thought Perfetti had a hell of a game.

He won lots of board battles, was hounding the puck and creating chances.
Names was so close to sliding the puck through the D to Cole on what would have been a tap in.

 

[Buffdog]

Well what do you think the "charts and graphs" have to say right now?

If anything the silence is just proof that so-called "critics of CSV" or graph lovers or whatever are just people who look at what's actually happening and adjust their opinions accordingly.

It seems Arniel has a lot of buy-in from Scheif and Connor and has an awareness of what that line needs to do to be successful. I've always liked Connor's game more away from Scheif, and Connor now seems to be playing with a lot more of that swagger and d-zone effort, and less 'cute'. Seems to be driving play more, back checking more. Definitely very good signs.

Also like that Arniel has shown willingness to put ESV together when things aren't clicking. The fact that we've seen it a couple of times already this year for a few periods and we're 15-1 is super encouraging to me and shows the coach is aware of what's going on and has the sway and buy-in to make swaps.

I wasn't gong to say anything, but...

Weird that person posted a 7 game sample size. If you go back to the start of the season, goal differential at 5v5 looks at like this:

CSV: 11GF 10GA 52.38GF%
NLA: 10GF 2GS 83.33GF%
ENP: 10GF 4GA 71.43GF%
BKI: 2GF 2GA 50.00GF%

So even if you go back to before CSV's recent 5v5 tear, they were losing their matchups but we were still winning. In other words, the Jets were a team whose top line was sawing off their matchups and their depth, special teams and goaltending were winning games for them

Its almost like someone on these boards posited that that could be a way of being successful in the league if a team lacked elite, top end talent like a McDavid, MacKinnon or Matthews.

However, that poster was routinely shouted down and told that even if a team finished 4th overall in the league last year with that approach, it wasn't "sustainable" to win like that

So i think the silence around the graphwatchers/Statsnerds has more to do with an aversion to having to admit that Buffdog was right

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

There was no goalie interference on the 3rd goal. At all.

It was a strange one as what could have been interference seemed separated from the scoring play.
He did go into the crease on his own and had skate to skate contact on Hellebuyck.
The moment that was closer to interference was us pushing him in after that which was pushing on Helle and led to the goal. It wasn't worth the risk of the PP against to challenge for sure.

 

[Jets 31]

Almost forgot....

 

[Jets 31]

Imagine being 10-2-3 and still being 7 points out of 1st place? I feel for Minnesota....... Ok not really.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I wasn't gong to say anything, but...

Weird that person posted a 7 game sample size. If you go back to the start of the season, goal differential at 5v5 looks at like this:

CSV: 11GF 10GA 52.38GF%
NLA: 10GF 2GS 83.33GF%
ENP: 10GF 4GA 71.43GF%
BKI: 2GF 2GA 50.00GF%

So even if you go back to before CSV's recent 5v5 tear, they were losing their matchups but we were still winning. In other words, the Jets were a team whose top line was sawing off their matchups and their depth, special teams and goaltending were winning games for them

Its almost like someone on these boards posited that that could be a way of being successful in the league if a team lacked elite, top end talent like a McDavid, MacKinnon or Matthews.

However, that poster was routinely shouted down and told that even if a team finished 4th overall in the league last year with that approach, it wasn't "sustainable" to win like that

So i think the silence around the graphwatchers/Statsnerds has more to do with an aversion to having to admit that Buffdog was right

That nla line looks hot.

 

[Skidooboy]

I wonder what it is. It's certainly not just luck. Do we have a bottle that says special winning juice that travels with the team? Do they have group hugs? Group lashings?

it's three things....

1.Anger.
Anger at the DISREPESCT we get from press and fans and the other players....
"no trade clauses", "I want out Trade me" "Frauds" "Assuming the Oilers and Leafs and Canucks make the playoffs, what other Canadian Teams have a chance" "No Superstars" "Not Considered for National/ Olympic teams" "They Only win because they have a great goalie" (like he's not really a team member and is just some ringer we brought in) "Can't beat the Good Teams" "bad in the playoffs" "Not the right fit"
Anger at themselves for the Colorado series, and previous seasons...
this team seems to have had it with the haters.

2. Trust...
In themselves and thier own talent. Trust in thier teammates to make good choices, and cover for each others mistakes. Trust in the coaches and systems and preparation.

3 MOST IMPORTANTLY.....DESIRE TO WIN
These guys in our core they know each other, they respect each other...They know they have finite careers and even shorter "windows" they see what it takes, they feel the pain of not making it, of under performing at the wrong time. Helle KNOWS Veznia is something you appreciate for a day or two...or a streak, or a record..but those accolades don't mean much ..they are things you talk about when your career is over and fondly remember.....

..but your name carved in the silver of Lord Stanley's Cup is the goal..beside the Rocket and The Pocket and #99. And they want it bad....and I think they want it for us fans...for that home crowd. A lot of The core remembers those early seasons, the arena rocking...

So they throw everything into every single game game. Knowing they are a team that is good enough to win in every single game no matter who they face. Knowing they can overcome adversity and penalties and bad calls and early goals. knowing they can win any and every way. and knowing it's not a fluke, it's not a joke, it's not just this season....it's been two solid years of dominant hockey...and despite the media and the Players who wouldn't sign and the jokes about the market.... THEY KNOW THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN.

 

[jungles]

I love how we immediately followed up a 8 game win streak with a 7 game win streak.

If only we would have beat the Leafs, can you imagine?

Though maybe we needed that loss to reinforce some things

Do we have a 16 in 9 tracker?

 

[SensibleGuy]

I wasn't gong to say anything, but...

Weird that person posted a 7 game sample size. If you go back to the start of the season, goal differential at 5v5 looks at like this:

CSV: 11GF 10GA 52.38GF%
NLA: 10GF 2GS 83.33GF%
ENP: 10GF 4GA 71.43GF%
BKI: 2GF 2GA 50.00GF%

So even if you go back to before CSV's recent 5v5 tear, they were losing their matchups but we were still winning. In other words, the Jets were a team whose top line was sawing off their matchups and their depth, special teams and goaltending were winning games for them

Its almost like someone on these boards posited that that could be a way of being successful in the league if a team lacked elite, top end talent like a McDavid, MacKinnon or Matthews.

However, that poster was routinely shouted down and told that even if a team finished 4th overall in the league last year with that approach, it wasn't "sustainable" to win like that

So i think the silence around the graphwatchers/Statsnerds has more to do with an aversion to having to admit that Buffdog was right

I don't even know what you think you were or are right about? lol..do you think the "nerds" are suggesting that by following analytics our chances of winning a cup go from 4% up to 85% or something? It doesn't work like that and no analytics guy would ever pretend it does. We're talking about trying to improve our odds...from 4% to maybe 4.7% (if that). It's not like there's zero chance without analytics. How do you know that had our top line been broken up a couple seasons ago we wouldn't have maybe gotten to round 3 or beyond last year? Who knows? Us going on a crazy winning streak (with some pretty wild shooting percentages and so forth) doesn't "prove" anything one way or the other regarding who's right about anything...

 

[Gm0ney]

The record makes it pretty hard not to notice the obvious game management going on. Jets are 15-1, but are 26th in PP opportunities per game in the league. Seems like every time we score a go ahead goal we're in the penalty box within two shifts. It's frickin' embarassing!

The funny thing about penalties and how they're called is that generally, the more penalties you take, the more you draw. The Jets are the 29th most penalized team and have drawn the 24th most penalties. Their Net Penalties/60 is currently 0.62, which is the 6th best rate in the league.

You have to go back to 2017-18 to find a season where the Jets had a negative penalty differential. They were -0.01 Net Pen/60 that year.

From 2018-19 to present, the Jets are the 2nd best team in Net Pen/60.

But because of game management, it's rare for a team to rack up a huge negative or positive penalty differential. The refs are always trying to keep it relatively close. Only 3 times since the Jets return has any team had a worse penalty differential than -1, and no team has ever hit +1 (since 2011-12 anyway).

 

[Skidooboy]

I'm starting to lose faith in Barron. I like his game but I really don't think he has the finishing instinct.

Either way he's a great 4th line and we need that.

sorry To my eye he IS that line. he's the one first down the ice, first on the puck, Hard on the puck and boards, he rarely makes a bad play or turnover....I think if he had better shooters around him he'd have a TON of assists.. He's still growing, and more importantly he's playing his role without cheating for personal stats/glory.

 

[Buffdog]

I don't even know what you think you were or are right about? lol..do you think the "nerds" are suggesting that by following analytics our chances of winning a cup go from 4% up to 85% or something? It doesn't work like that and no analytics guy would ever pretend it does. We're talking about trying to improve our odds...from 4% to maybe 4.7% (if that). It's not like there's zero chance without analytics. How do you know that had our top line been broken up a couple seasons ago we wouldn't have maybe gotten to round 3 or beyond last year? Who knows? Us going on a crazy winning streak (with some pretty wild shooting percentages and so forth) doesn't "prove" anything one way or the other regarding who's right about anything...

Denial is a hell of a drug

Re-read my post. How many times have I been told that you can't win in the NHL without a top line that dominates it's matchups when I suggested another way of doing it?

That was the entire point of my post. Maybe the way I outlined it (as I think it's what the org has done) increases the chances of winning MORE than loading up a top line? It certainly looks that way this year

 

[Flair Hay]

I wasn't gong to say anything, but...

Weird that person posted a 7 game sample size. If you go back to the start of the season, goal differential at 5v5 looks at like this:

CSV: 11GF 10GA 52.38GF%
NLA: 10GF 2GS 83.33GF%
ENP: 10GF 4GA 71.43GF%
BKI: 2GF 2GA 50.00GF%

So even if you go back to before CSV's recent 5v5 tear, they were losing their matchups but we were still winning. In other words, the Jets were a team whose top line was sawing off their matchups and their depth, special teams and goaltending were winning games for them

Its almost like someone on these boards posited that that could be a way of being successful in the league if a team lacked elite, top end talent like a McDavid, MacKinnon or Matthews.

However, that poster was routinely shouted down and told that even if a team finished 4th overall in the league last year with that approach, it wasn't "sustainable" to win like that

So i think the silence around the graphwatchers/Statsnerds has more to do with an aversion to having to admit that Buffdog was right

First off, obviously enjoying life that much more with how the club is playing. This run is truly special. They have the immaculate vibes. The team is so focused, disciplined and unselfish.

Still a long way to go in the season, but the most encouraging part for me is CSV are getting better. They are back above even at 5v5 while the PP has been scorching.

If they can be a 55-60% goals line this year I know my concerns with them and the lineup changes will be gone. Can't speak for everyone but that's me! Either way, this chemistry is too perfect to consider any changes anytime soon.

Obviously the middle six has been downright dominant again which is awesome to see. Depth is so key in hockey and we have to be trotting out one of the best middle six groups in hockey.

I think having genuine cup aspirations requires us to have all three of these lines capable of winning matchups. And outside of a rough 5v5 only start, CSV is joining the party. Probably the best news we could get for both sides of this debate, and all Jets fans hoping to see hockey in May.

For now, it's impossible not to love this team and the unprecedented heater we are on.

 

[Gm0ney]

I saw one of the nhl talking heads saying the Jets had the second easiest schedule to start the season was the reason for their great start.
I guess beating NYR … Dallas … Avs is easy if you are the Jets.

According to NHL Strength of Schedule Rankings the Jets have had the 4th easiest schedule so far, and have the 10th easiest schedule the rest of the way. They have the Jets ranked 2nd in their current power rankings.

The Jets have played the Stars (ranked 3rd), Rangers (5), Oilers (6), Wild (7), Lightning (11), Leafs (14), Avs (17), Flames (20), Pens (22), Kraken (23), Utah (24), Wings (25), Blues (26), CBJ (27), Hawks (31), and Sharks (32).

So they've played 62.5% of their games against teams in the bottom half of their power rankings (10-0-0) and 37.5% vs top-half teams (5-1-0).

 

[Jet]

This team has an opportunity to start a new chapter (narrative) about who they are in the playoffs because last playoffs sadly was right on brand for who we are in that annual tournament format.

That being said we just had remembrance day, Winter hasn’t started, and playoffs aren’t for 5 months so right now I am enjoying the historic run because it’s starting to defy words. In my new , its all about the journey path, I have to say this is as good as it gets.

Yup, at the end of the day you spend 95% of your time watching regular season hockey so having it be so entertaining and fun is the real payoff, as much as we all want Lord Stanley!

 

[Flair Hay]

He's starting to show a lot without the puck on his stick.

I like he's developing some nice strength and a bit of chipiness. When the smallest guy on the team isn't willing to put up with being targeted by questionable hits and starts retaliating in kind I think it has an impact on the rest of the guys. We honestly need more of that attitude, you target us and we'll target you right back.



I am slightly more optimistic about that. For once the group didnt make excuses for their poor performance. They actually seemed embarrassed and angry and imo that is something all great playoff teams go through before they truly develop the mindset to get it done. But the proof will be in the pudding come spring time.

Cole starting to use those fast hands to win board battles now that some of that man strength is arriving naturally. His positioning is so sound already. Once he is able to not just hold water, but actually bully other guys around a bit... man this year us getting exciting.

 

[Flair Hay]

Agree. Lots of commentators discuss the Jets' lack of "elite" talent, but Samberg is moving into elite territory as an anchor shutdown D. That gives the Jets strong anchors for the top 4 D with Morrissey and Samberg.

His trajectory always said he *could* become that one day. But it's something else watching him go from a steady, sound 3rd pair guy to a frickin animal out there. His urgency level and aggressiveness is noticeable compared to last year.

Like Perfetti, awesome to see him take some important strides to being top half of the lineup players consistently.

 

[Buffdog]

First off, obviously enjoying life that much more with how the club is playing. This run is truly special. They have the immaculate vibes. The team is so focused, disciplined and unselfish.

Still a long way to go in the season, but the most encouraging part for me is CSV are getting better. They are back above even at 5v5 while the PP has been scorching.

If they can be a 55-60% goals line this year I know my concerns with them and the lineup changes will be gone. Can't speak for everyone but that's me! Either way, this chemistry is too perfect to consider any changes anytime soon.

Obviously the middle six has been downright dominant again which is awesome to see. Depth is so key in hockey and we have to be trotting out one of the best middle six groups in hockey.

I think having genuine cup aspirations requires us to have all three of these lines capable of winning matchups. And outside of a rough 5v5 only start, CSV is joining the party. Probably the best news we could get for both sides of this debate, and all Jets fans hoping to see hockey in May.

For now, it's impossible not to love this team and the unprecedented heater we are on.

Personally, IDGAF how we achieve a great goal differential, which i guess puts me at odds with some posters

I think it's fine that our "top" line is only +1 at 5v5 when overall we're +39 at all stregths

To me, that's even more sustainable than relying on a top line that can succumb to injuries or a slump

 

[Flair Hay]

someone like Provorov would really strengthen that third pairing, but point taken, it’s hard to argue who comes out of the lineup. More depth is always good because the playoffs are a real meat grinder.

Kenny Wiebe just threw out Oleksiak on KnR after last night's game. He is pretty plugged in, his hunches are always well founded...