Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Stars 1

[LucianoBorsato]

Im not defending either station, but i do watch a lot of TSN and SN's highlight shows and the "talk shows" like Real Kyper and Bourne and they all give quite a bit of love and respect to the Jets now. Their mandate is always going to be Leafs and Oilers first because that's where the ratings are. But I don't sense any huge anti-Jets agenda and this "they despise Winnipeg" narrative is largely false now. The one that i felt really had sour grapes and some weird anti-Jets agenda was PJ Stock, but he's long gone. Maybe Gary Galley also but even he's been slurping the Jets lately.

I feel people are maybe confusing the sports book odds with the media, possibly because they show the odds all the time during broadcasts and they dont have the Jets as overwhelming favorites. But they aren't making the odds, just presenting what the bookies have them at.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This was the worst shot clock keeper I’ve ever seen. We had many more shots than indicated. I was actually making fun of it last night. Regardless we had our A everything game going!

Thought that was just me counting shots that didn't actually get through or missed the net by an inch.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

If playoffs started today who would the jets face?

 

[Fatdrunk]

We all know the HART will go to MacKinnon or Draisaitl and I am perfectly fine with that.

Give Helle the CONN SMYTHE in a winning effort. That’s what I’m talking about.

 

[SUX2BU]

Not a big fan of Principe either but man you gotta admit he has nice hair.

If you’re 20 and not 70

 

[Bob E]

The Jets will need to go on a long playoff run to prove to the national media that they are legit, and not just a regular season success. If they do that, and continue to add to their group, they will get much move love from pundits, media and reporters outside of Winnipeg.

If the Flames had the same MO as the Jets, great regular season but two quick playoff exits, us Winnipeggers would also look at the Flames as a "can't get it done in the playoffs" team. And I'm not wasting my time an effort supporting them until they show me something consistently. It's the same as how I think of the Bruins recently but before this year. Can have the best regular season ever but show me you can beat someone other than the Leafs in the playoffs.

Jets make it to the finals, we'll get plenty of love this playoff and next year if they have another strong regular season.

Oilers get a lot of slack because they have the two best players I the world and made it to game 7 of the Finals last year even though they look like they can't beat anyone right now with no desperation or intensity to their game. But that playoff success is what reporters and other media remember and has them as cup favorites for many still.

Imagine if the Jets actually win a cup...

 

[Flyby]

The story about the Jets win on teh TSN website was about 2/3rd's of the way down. It was after curling and there were at least 6 or 7 Leafs or leaf related stories before it.
I agree if the Leafs were in the Jets position there would be 8 to 10 stories dedicated just to the game and another 5 to discuss how amazing it is for Canada a the yare doing so well.
It is very annoying but the Torontocentric bias will, unfortunately, never stop given the size of the Province and the vast number of Leaf fans across Canada. The jets could win the cup and a leafs story about Mitch Marner having a hang nail or Nylander deciding to wear a shirt for an interview would likely be the lead story.

 

[Jaytee]

Oilers get a lot of slack because they have the two best players I the world...

Nathan MacKinnon and Connor Hellebuyck play for the Oilers?!?!

 

[Gm0ney]

If playoffs started today who would the jets face?

Calgary

 

[10Ducky10]

Calgary

Don't they have an identical record to Vancouver?

 

[bustamente]

Don't they have an identical record to Vancouver?

I think RW is the tie breaker in favor of the Flames atm

 

[PhilJets]

I still think +80 with 15 games to go is pretty good.

Its crazy good what the Jets are doing now ( I’m appreciating it more and more )

Just got amazed the Montreal Canadiens goal differential.
How do you beat that team

 

[DRW204]

honestly surprised at how much some care about the Jets making headlines or not. 1st like @raideralex99 mentioned, the big markets dominate headlines on average through the year. turn on ESPN during NFL season, Dallas is a large relevant topic regardless of how good or bad they are. Lakers (Lebron) in NBA. It's same shit in the NHL with Toronto. Not sure why this is a yearly surprise to some. WPG is small fry compared to TOR, NY, MTL it is what it is. $$$ talks.

Secondly, this team IMO is better when the spot light is not on them and they have a bit of that (under)dog in them. Not #1 in the "Power Rankings," good. use that for motivation to fuel you. Not picked to be a cup favorite? good, use that as whiteboard material to prove ppl wrong.

Thirdly, posters on here just complain and complain when popular media tries to talk Jets b/c they don't follow them every day & the Jets barely leak news and whatnot.... there's plenty of good lesser-known or non-traditional TV media that cover the Jets, support them.

 

[Gm0ney]

Its crazy good what the Jets are doing now ( I’m appreciating it more and more )

Just got amazed the Montreal Canadiens goal differential.
How do you beat that team

My answer is, as always: because the Habs rigged the 1967 expansion. But also, Sam Pollock was the smartest GM in the league...and there were some real dummies around.

 

[10Ducky10]

My answer is, as always: because the Habs rigged the 1967 expansion. But also, Sam Pollock was the smartest GM in the league...and there were some real dummies around.

That team only had about three or four players that weren't born in Canada.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It's also a historic thing, this Sportsnet antipathy towards the Jets, I think.

If you remember when the team came back in 2011, their games were broadcast almost exclusively on TSN; they even had a TSN Jets station that cable subscribers could pay extra to get. Every other Canadian team had their games carried on regional Sportsnet stations, so right off the bat, Sportsnet hated the Jets.

It's never got any better, and it probably never will.

I don't think so. Some teams were on SN, some were on TSN. The TSN Jets station was just about the way it was done at the time. Its not like there was a bidding war for Jets broadcast rights and TSN stole them from SN.

And now, TSN is just as bad as SN except that SN is terrible when broadcasting Jets national games. Every team has its regional broadcaster and its national broadcaster. I don't think SN even had the national rights when Jets came back.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Its crazy good what the Jets are doing now ( I’m appreciating it more and more )

Just got amazed the Montreal Canadiens goal differential.
How do you beat that team

6 in 5 gets 96-98 pts. We have 96 with 15 games to go. who'da thunk it?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That team only had about three or four players that weren't born in Canada.

The whole league only had about 3 or 4 guys who weren't born in Canada.

 

[Gm0ney]

Don't they have an identical record to Vancouver?

Now Vancouver is sitting in the 2nd wildcard, 6 points out of the 1st wildcard, with a game in hand on Minnesota (and 7 points behind Edmonton for 3rd in the Pacific).

Calgary and St. Louis are 2 points behind Vancouver. Calgary's got a game in hand on Van and Van has a game in hand on St. Louis.

Utah is 4 points back but they'd have to pass all 3 of those teams above, so I think they are likely cooked - but they will be still playing desperate hockey...

 

[Buffdog]

My answer is, as always: because the Habs rigged the 1967 expansion. But also, Sam Pollock was the smartest GM in the league...and there were some real dummies around.

I heard that Habs team had the largest analytics department in the NHL at the time. How else could someone build a team that dominant?

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

Well it is pretty silly that they can't squeeze one Jets story into the first 15 or 16 stories.
Especially on TSN since they are broadcasting the lions share of our games.
American teams seem to get better coverage than us on the station that ISN'T showing our game that night.

We don't need all the love... just a tiny teenie itsy bitsy Heinola sized dose.

 

[Jets 31]

Not a big fan of Principe either but man you gotta admit he has nice hair.

I thought that too until i saw the back of his head on TV recently. Let's just say its a little Barron back there.

 

[Weezeric]

I think Buffdog was asking about Rantanen with and without MacKinnon - whether he was somewhat of a product of MacKinnon's greatness.

Looking at 5v5 for the two full season prior to this one (2022-23 + 2023-24) just to exclude his lackluster moping on the Canes and adjusting to different systems or whatever was going on this year:

Rantanen	TOI	CF%	GF-GA	+/-	GF%	xGF%
with MacK	1931:49	56.5%	128-83	+45	60.7%	55.0%
w/o MacK	794:03	47.9%	34-42	-8	44.7%	47.8%

If you look back a bit farther - like 2021-22, then he's great with MacKinnon (similar to above) but even better without MacKinnon. That was their Cup year. Had a deep team with Landeskog and Kadri, etc. Rantanen-MacKinnon-Landeskog was a hell of a dominant line, btw...and Rantanen without either of those guys on the ice was good, not great.

If you look at this year he's very similar to the table above with MacKinnon, and worse than the results without MacKinnon (44% CF, 11-11/50% GF, 36.5% xGF)...but it's a pretty small sample (<200 TOI) w/o MacK, and new systems, sulking and whining, etc.

TLDR: Last two years (and also this one) Rantanen hasn't looked very good without MacK. I think he's a good player, but maybe overrated because of how good he and MacK went together.

3 5v5 points in 16 games since Rantanen was traded from Colorado…

 

[Gm0ney]

I heard that Habs team had the largest analytics department in the NHL at the time. How else could someone build a team that dominant?

It's hard to overstate how ahead of the curve Pollock was - and how short sighted and terrible a lot of other GMs were.

If the league were tracking all the things they do today, I'm pretty sure Sam Pollock's Habs would've had the first and largest analytics department.

 

[Gm0ney]

3 5v5 points in 16 games since Rantanen was traded from Colorado…

I looked at 2022-2024 to exclude this season in particular because it hasn't been typical. He was sulking in Carolina and is on his 3rd team, after playing his whole career up to this point in Colorado (mostly under Bednar).

I don't think he's going to be a 15 points in 82 games (5v5) guy going forward. But I will laugh and laugh and laugh if he is!