Post-Game Talk: Jets 4 - Blues 2

[gojetsgo]

Good game by most of the Jets other than the 3 usual suspects who get lit up once again defensively and didn't generate much either. 2nd line was cooking as was the 4th, Perfetti and Namestnikov looked great again. 3rd line had a tough matchup and handled it well. Those 3 lines played such a hard game, battling for pucks and fighting for them in the tough areas.

The top line again given an easier matchup which they proceeded to be outshot and outchanced.

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I doubt anyone is even surprised anymore. Hate to harp on this but a few games ago that line only "looked bad for a top line" but now they are starting to trend towards one of the worst lines in hockey metrics wise and this has been some easy opposition too. I shudder to see what happens later in the week against the Stars/Canes.

LOL the 1000 posts in the past week about the top line begs to differ

 

[DRW204]

You have to account for Connor's defensive deficiencies in some way so you have a 1st line set up to out score the opposition. I don't think Lowry's line gets changed. Ehlers carries the secondary scoring. Not sure we see Bones do much of anything. If somehow Chevy can get a more complete top 6 winger maybe we see some switch ups.

Connor's best performances in recent memory in net goals came away from scheifele. And the top line outscored the opposition at a greater rate when it was ESV.

 

[KingBogo]

Good game by most of the Jets other than the 3 usual suspects who get lit up once again defensively and didn't generate much either. 2nd line was cooking as was the 4th, Perfetti and Namestnikov looked great again. 3rd line had a tough matchup and handled it well. Those 3 lines played such a hard game, battling for pucks and fighting for them in the tough areas.

The top line again given an easier matchup which they proceeded to be outshot and outchanced.

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I doubt anyone is even surprised anymore. Hate to harp on this but a few games ago that line only "looked bad for a top line" but now they are starting to trend towards one of the worst lines in hockey metrics wise and this has been some easy opposition too. I shudder to see what happens later in the week against the Stars/Canes.

And yet that top line accounts for almost every goal we score over the last several games. At some point you need to question xG% when it is continually so out of line with the actual goals scored each game.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Missed the game

Did we win in acceptable fashion, or should I kick my dog?

If he’s a chihuahua, yes, but that’s on principle more than anything.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That was better. Let up in the second but rebounded in the 3rd. The last 5 minutes were rough, but a little credit to StL there - and Brossoit came through.

 

[Do or Die]

Missed the game

Did we win in acceptable fashion, or should I kick my dog?

15 minutes of kicking.......45 minutes of petting.

 

[surixon]

And yet that top line accounts for almost every goal we score over the last several games. At some point you need to question xG% when it is continually so out of line with the actual goals scored each game.

Most of those goals have been in none 5 on 5 situations. They have given up as much as they have generated 5 on 5 lately. They will likely start giving up more once their shooting percentage regresses.

I have no issue with them playing together on the pp or Mark and Kyle at 3 on 3. But they have to clean up their 5 on 5 play.

 

[KingBogo]

Connor's best performances in recent memory in net goals came away from scheifele. And the top line outscored the opposition at a greater rate when it was ESV.

Of course they did. Ehlers and Scheifele kill the opposition when they are together, But isn't the plan to try to balance out the lines as much as possible?

Most of those goals have been in none 5 on 5 situations. They have given up as much as they have generated 5 on 5 lately. They will likely start giving up more once their shooting percentage regresses.

I have no issue with them playing together on the pp or Mark and Kyle at 3 on 3. But they have to clean up their 5 on 5 play.

They scored 2, 5on5 tonight.

 

[DRW204]

I'm sure he will until it starts bleeding goals on him. I have to think it's eating him up inside though.

I read wish he'd be open to switching the Lowry line up a bit. It hasn't been that amazing since the first third of tye year. I'd like to see Nino and Barron switched for a game or two.



Hopefully this game was the start of his ascent out of his slump. Nino let him down tonight with those two grade A chances.

Damn you got the full cheer leader outfit on tonight. Do you specify how Perfetti has let down his teammates going goalless in his past 18 games too?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Of course they did. Ehlers and Scheifele kill the opposition when they are together, But isn't the plan to try to balance out the lines as much as possible?


They scored 2, 5on5 tonight.

No. If you can kill the opposition do it and work the rest out after.

 

[KingBogo]

No. If you can kill the opposition do it and work the rest out after.

All summer long I read post after post of the need to have 3 scoring lines. Once the season starts all everyone wants to do is stack the top line.

 

[kanadalainen]

Lovely stuff.

Ehlers is a beast.

Great to see Iafrate and Monahan pump a couple.

Little Croissant is really good.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Coelacanth of the game:

#27 Nik Ehlers

Two amazing assists, and basically did all the work for Iafrate in the third for the insurance goal.

 

[surixon]

Of course they did. Ehlers and Scheifele kill the opposition when they are together, But isn't the plan to try to balance out the lines as much as possible?


They scored 2, 5on5 tonight.

Yes and gave up 1
Last number of games
1 and 1 against Coyotes
0 and 1 against Hawks
1 and 1 against Wild
0 and 2 against the Flames

So last five games they are a -2 in 5 on 5 goal differential. That tracks with their awful metrics.

 

[DRW204]

Of course they did. Ehlers and Scheifele kill the opposition when they are together, But isn't the plan to try to balance out the lines as much as possible?


They scored 2, 5on5 tonight.

What do you expect to achieve a better overall top6 in net-goals

ESV+CMI
Or
CSV+EMI

Esp. given the 1st line plays 3-4 more 5v5 mins than the 2nd.

There's barely any stats on kc playing 2nd line this year unfortunately. But with PLD, granted different player mix, he was generally a + in 5v5 goal-differential which is unusual for KC.

Edit: Connor and perfetti actually had good stats too with dubois. Again different player vs Monahan, and not sure if Bowness will play perfetti 2RW, but I think it would be wise to see how that mix works prior to spending more on a top6er who may no really be needed.

 

[Buffdog]

Yes and gave up 1
Last number of games
1 and 1 against Coyotes
0 and 1 against Hawks
1 and 1 against Wild
0 and 2 against the Flames

So last five games they are a -2 in 5 on 5 goal differential. That tracks with their awful metrics.

OK, then factor in the second line... because you can move ehlers up to negate the 1st line giving up a couple more than they score but then the second line becomes worse than the first line used to be

It's a team game

 

[Adam da bomb]

All summer long I read post after post of the need to have 3 scoring lines. Once the season starts all everyone wants to do is stack the top line.

If you think Ehlers is that much better than Connor and that it would be stacking the first line. I don’t buy it.

 

[kanadalainen]

.947, old babies.

This fecker stop puck.

 

[KingBogo]

What do you expect to achieve a better overall top6 in net-goals

ESV+CMI
Or
CSV+EMI

Esp. given the 1st line plays 3-4 more 5v5 mins than the 2nd.

There's barely any stats on kc playing 2nd line this year unfortunately. But with PLD, granted different player mix, he was generally a + in 5v5 goal-differential which is unusual for KC.

Edit: Connor and perfetti actually had good stats too with dubois. Again different player vs Monahan, and not sure if Bowness will play perfetti 2RW, but I think it would be wise to see how that mix works prior to spending more on a top6er who may no really be needed.

I’d be all for Ehlers and Scheifele pairing I’m just not sure the balance would work on the 2nd line, but maybe Connor and Monahan click as a pairing.

 

[razorsedge]

Pooh approved win.

 

[KingBogo]

If you think Ehlers is that much better than Connor and that it would be stacking the first line. I don’t buy it.

I think Scheifele and Ehlers together makes our most dynamic pairing. Together they have out scored the opposition 19 - 4 at 5v5 this season.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Croissant and Namestnikov are beauties. Very high value for the dollar with those two.

 

[JetsFan815]

Other than a 12 minute sag in the middle of the second period, I thought the Jets controlled the majority of the game. Top line attributed themselves better than last game, but still suffer from being very light on the transition game. Ehlers is f***ing money. Really is criminal that he doesn't get more ice time. Speaking of that ice time, I don't really mind Perfetti's demotion. It's been a while since he was a positive factor on the ice. I think a full season is really draining on him. He hit a wall. He's had some good looks tonight, and one should have gone in if Nino could finish. Hofer robbed him of that second chance. The top line is scoring goals, but are still an issue in their own zone. As it is, a much better game than against Arizona. Good job.

Yeah Perfetti usage hasn't bothered me much since he's a rookie and not really lighting the world on fire. Iafallo has been pretty impactful so far in an elevated role on that line so far. He's been fantastic these last 2 games getting his sticks on pucks in offensive zone and extending zone time. Monahan has also been a better fit than I expected. With Perfetti... I get the feeling if he gets 1, the floodgates are going to open up for him. He has better chemistry with Names than Monahan anyways so I don't mind that spot for him.

And yet that top line accounts for almost every goal we score over the last several games. At some point you need to question xG% when it is continually so out of line with the actual goals scored each game.

Are you looking at all situations by any chance? At 5v5 their Goals For % isn't that out of line with their Corsi and xG, (43% Goals For with 38% Corsi and 25% xG% since being re-united). Their xG% is definitely deflated and should regress closer to their Corsi but that Corsi ain't great either.

 

[Ggg99]

.947, old babies.

This fecker stop puck.

Ya but he drifts his out turns and hogs the popcorn. Still, love him between the pipes though!

 

[NA Hockey]

Damn you got the full cheer leader outfit on tonight. Do you specify how Perfetti has let down his teammates going goalless in his past 18 games too?

You have to give credit where it’s due though. Perfetti was excellent tonight. Created multiple scoring chances through his skill and hard work. Could easily have had 3 points but instead he and his linemates are still snake bitten.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Scheifele and Ehlers together makes our most dynamic pairing. Together they have out scored the opposition 19 - 4 at 5v5 this season.

Then they should play them together. I think you can have a balanced 2nd line without ehlers driving it. I think kc can gain the zone and the other 2 can do the dirty work and help defensively. I don’t think kc is as big a passenger as ppl around here make him out to be. All players have their strengths and weaknesses.
If not it’s a team game and if u have to play the top line more and the second line less you do that.