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raideralex99 said:
Well said and so true. Most fans only look at the score sheet ... true fans look at the players work away from the play. Lots of times you can't see it unless you are at the game but the coaches can see it ... that's why I find some of the comments funny armchair coaches think they know more watching from a screen. I don't have a problem with a player (Perfetti) not scoring if he is playing good hockey and is not giving up goals against.
Sure players make mistakes like Samberg was up at the blueline when MacKinnon got the puck in the slot and scored but Samberg played great on the PK at the end of the game to makeup for it. Actually mistakes are good if you learn from them especially if the team wins.
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Aren’t stats supposed to keep track of all of that? Like we had stats showing the team is scored on less when ehlers is on the ice so obviously he was doing little things right.
 
Zhamnov5GoalGame said:
It's tough to admit but Perfetti is "stuck".
He's been a favorite around our house since he joined the team as my very young son (at the time) chose him as his favorite player because they shared a first name.
When he goes on his hot streaks (5 goals in 5 games or some point streaks) it's so fun.
But this has gotten ridiculous.
Despite improving in many areas (compete, hustle) it's just not working for him. For a good chunk of the slump I would say that he was still contributing quite well.
Getting chances, hitting posts, lots of little things, tracking pucks, anticipating plays, getting clean exits and entries and on and on.
But as this dry spell has worn on you can see his confidence eroding.

I think he needs to sit for a game or 2.
But not like last year where they stapled him to the bench for way too long.

Sit him, give him a jolt and then get him back in there.
Without a functional 2nd scoring line we are likely first round fodder for some team.
Lowry's line and the other 2/3 line need to contribute more.
Nino, Cole, Vlad (or his replacement) all need to do a little bit more.

A couple of extra goals each on the season can be the difference maker in a few games.

Obviously a big part of our early season success was balanced scoring.
Vilardi was sort of AWOL for goals early on and the team as a whole was carrying the load.
Remember when it seemed like we would score 5 to 6 goals every game...
As our first line ramped up their production it seems like everyone else has sort of dipped.
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I think the 6 goal games were Quality of Competition and the early season jets. Grind into the middle of the season and the games are generally in the 5 goals range, total. And the Jets try to be on the right side of that .

Having the best scoring top line in the league is great. 3 20 goal scorers with 33 games left to play.

I look at Adam Lowry up there in scoring with Matty Beniers, Fantilli, Hintz, Josh Norris, ROR, Brock Nelson, he's ahead of Cozens or Frost. And he wins matchups. The guy should be the Selke front runner.

Nino is up there with guys like Fiala, Lehkonen, Slafkovsky, Lafreniere for scoring. Those are top 6 players, some of whom get more PP time.

Ehlers is PPG.

Namestnikov is +13 now, up there in scoring with guys like Hayton, Danault. Byfield. That's definitely a top 9 impact.

I think the functional 2nd scoring line began again once Ehlers and Perfetti were split. Ehlers scored on Lowry's line. Scored with Nino.

Last night Nik was a little too free wheeling with the puck making poor puck choices, that he wouldn't make if he was sitting beside the captain on the bench waiting for his next shift. But he's dynamic, can go either way.

Perfetti is the one who is ice right now, among top 9 players.

I do think sitting him wouldn't hurt, might get him fired up to come back strong.

However I think the focus with this coach is defense. If the Jets can win the Jennings again, with Comrie not being nearly as dominant as Brossoit was last year, that would be an accomplishment.

Being able to grind out some goals, without fancy plays, is nice. It's playoff hockey. Learning to win 2-1 in the playoffs is where I suspect Arniel is trying to get this team.

A team that can be effective 5 on 5, in limiting chances, kill opposition with their PP, and work towards becoming a stronger penalty killing team, with a lot of speed up front.

Not sure where Cole fits in there. I'd say as top 6 depth, down the stretch run. Maybe back on the 4th line again, where the goals don't come easy, from time to time.
 
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raideralex99 said:
Well said and so true. Most fans only look at the score sheet ... true fans look at the players work away from the play. Lots of times you can't see it unless you are at the game but the coaches can see it ... that's why I find some of the comments funny armchair coaches think they know more watching from a screen. I don't have a problem with a player (Perfetti) not scoring if he is playing good hockey and is not giving up goals against.
Sure players make mistakes like Samberg was up at the blueline when MacKinnon got the puck in the slot and scored but Samberg played great on the PK at the end of the game to makeup for it. Actually mistakes are good if you learn from them especially if the team wins.
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Samberg looked bad on that goal, but Nate was Nino's guy. Snerg was caught out there for an extended period and had followed his guy up to the point (for some reason the Jets were playing man coverage there - maybe just a breakdown after the PK?). He had zero gas to chase Mack down, or to release to his netfront position

I'm not sure if that was a bad read on his part, blown coverage by Nino (good luck staying with Mack if you get caught flat footed) or both. At the end of the day, the Avs did a good job isolating and exposing the Jets in their D zone coverage, which is what they do well
 
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johnnyonthspot said:
I appreciate the question. I have said this before that my "problem" is I am no longer satisfied with regular season success (perhaps I am taking their success for granted and I should not since very few Jet teams have reached this level of regular season success). Nonetheless, I want to see playoff success. They were a top 5 team last regular season but one of the first teams out. There is also a long history of President's Trophy winning teams exiting the playoffs early. Finally, I follow the Jets closely. Attend several games in person and watch almost all other games on tv. I do not care about other teams success or failures but I do have concerns about the Jets being playoff ready, which is different than thinking every team is better than the the Jets. I also think there is a blue print for beating the Jets that LA, Vegas and the Ducks all recently implemented to beat them. I hope that answers your question and on for you, which is do you think the Jets top line is as good as Col's? I do not but certainly open to your opinion as it might change mine.
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Colorado's top line is probably the best in the league, i would say we are top 5 . I think we have better depth and goaltending . Colorado is a pretty good team but i think overall we are better and it shows in the standings and why we were 3-1 against them this season.
 
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johnnyonthspot said:
I would not sit Names over Kupari. He has more offensive upside and better defensive acumen. but a line of Baron-gus or Kupari and Perfetti is intriguing.
Ehlers is hard to play with and perfetti despite being unable to score still produces assists and shows some defensive ability.
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Only reason I'd take Kupari is the speed/forecheck... when we moved him to 4th line last year, it slowed us down imo and undermined their game - he's more of a mid-six defensive guy

I'd legit like to see Copp back - Ehlers/Copp were a good combo because Ehlers need another play driver/power forward... think it would help both of their careers
 
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Buffdog said:
Samberg looked bad on that goal, but Nate was Nino's guy. Snerg was caught out there for an extended period and had followed his guy up to the point (for some reason the Jets were playing man coverage there - maybe just a breakdown after the PK?). He had zero gas to chase Mack down, or to release to his netfront position

I'm not sure if that was a bad read on his part, blown coverage by Nino (good luck staying with Mack if you get caught flat footed) or both. At the end of the day, the Avs did a good job isolating and exposing the Jets in their D zone coverage, which is what they do well
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They need a stat for getting caught on the ice too long because someone iced the puck. The guys are human and won't play as well tired and at a higher altitude than they are used to.
 
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Jets 31 said:
They need a stat for getting caught on the ice too long because someone iced the puck. The guys are human and won't play as well tired and at a higher altitude than they are used to.
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Yup, 100%. And when guys become hypoxic, the brain is usually affected first and it results in some terrible decisions that just compound the physical fatigue
 
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Buffdog said:
Samberg looked bad on that goal, but Nate was Nino's guy. Snerg was caught out there for an extended period and had followed his guy up to the point (for some reason the Jets were playing man coverage there - maybe just a breakdown after the PK?). He had zero gas to chase Mack down, or to release to his netfront position

I'm not sure if that was a bad read on his part, blown coverage by Nino (good luck staying with Mack if you get caught flat footed) or both. At the end of the day, the Avs did a good job isolating and exposing the Jets in their D zone coverage, which is what they do well
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The thing I noticed about that play was Kupari following his man behind the net when Nino was already beat. He was obviously locked into a man to man coverage, but if he breaks coverage, I'm not sure there is a backdoor tap in there. And he's definitely able to get into Mackinnon's lane. It did seem like a coverage breakdown that came from the top of the zone, which is where the Avs are extremely dangerous.
 
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Jets 31 said:
Colorado's top line is probably the best in the league, i would say we are top 5 . I think we have better depth and goaltending . Colorado is a pretty good team but i think overall we are better and it shows in the standings and why we were 3-1 against them this season.
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Colorado ices the best 5 players in the league MacKinnon line with Makar/Toews but this is the NHL not NBA where ... they cannot play the whole game.
Shut them down which is hard to do because they are superstars and they will get their chances but having the best players does not guarantee you a championship ... the best team does. Avs have the better center and defenseman but the Jets have the better team.
 
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voyageur said:
The thing I noticed about that play was Kupari following his man behind the net when Nino was already beat. He was obviously locked into a man to man coverage, but if he breaks coverage, I'm not sure there is a backdoor tap in there. And he's definitely able to get into Mackinnon's lane. It did seem like a coverage breakdown that came from the top of the zone, which is where the Avs are extremely dangerous.
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The Avs are so good at creating breakdowns. They'll cycle, reverse directions and throw a pick when defenders try to switch coverage that results in small area odd-man situations - like you're talking about with Kupari

Once they saw Nino was beat, it's basically a mini PP for them down low. Like you said, if Kupari releases to Mack, he goes to the guy he released from
 
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Buffdog said:
The Avs are so good at creating breakdowns. They'll cycle, reverse directions and throw a pick when defenders try to switch coverage that results in small area odd-man situations - like you're talking about with Kupari

Once they saw Nino was beat, it's basically a mini PP for them down low. Like you said, if Kupari releases to Mack, he goes to the guy he released from
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But, then it becomes not taking away all the options, but, leaving the other team with the less dangerous ones. So, if Kupari jumps to Mack and his guy is behind the net, you are fine with the puck going behind the net.
 
BobTheSolarsystem said:
One of the Jets challenges is that they haven't found 'pairings' for half the lineup
Connor-Scheif
Nino-Lowry
Ehlers-?
Perfetti-?
Barron-Gus

I like Names but I don't see him as an ideal fit... Ehlers/Copp were good together in a short sample, same with Ehlers/Nino and Ehlers/Lowry
I don't know who fits with Perfetti - think I'd try him with Gus and try to get the AHL chemistry back

CSV
Nino-Names-Ehlers
Barron-Gus-Perfetti
Iafallo-Kupari-Apples

Then I'd sit Names once Lowry is back
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2nd line to press box?????
Bizarre.
Gus is sitting way before Vlad.
 
Jets 31 said:
Colorado's top line is probably the best in the league, i would say we are top 5 . I think we have better depth and goaltending . Colorado is a pretty good team but i think overall we are better and it shows in the standings and why we were 3-1 against them this season.
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I see your point but the Jets swept them last year. I would argue their goalies are better now and playoff hockey is totally different than regular season. Do you admit that fact?

BobTheSolarsystem said:
Only reason I'd take Kupari is the speed/forecheck... when we moved him to 4th line last year, it slowed us down imo and undermined their game - he's more of a mid-six defensive guy

I'd legit like to see Copp back - Ehlers/Copp were a good combo because Ehlers need another play driver/power forward... think it would help both of their careers
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Fair enough but I see Names as an important player. Who does he replace in the top six now that Lowry is there 😜
 
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