Post-Game Talk: Jets 2 - Kraken 1

[Cotton Eye Joe]

I'd like to see a bit more of this 2nd line prior to saying it's the answer or what not.
However, I think you can get by with either Lowry or even Namestnikov at 2c if you have an offensive catalyst on the other wing. Perfetti wasn't that, and that's why imo that line wasn't consistent offensively. Also easier to find a winger than center.

I'd say for the love of god get Ehlers a talented center who can score and make plays. I love Lowry but he won't put the biscuit in the basket consistently.
I'd even look at getting a top tier winger to play with Ehlers and Lowry.

 

[Adam da bomb]

The proof of how hot 1st line is.

 

[Jet]

I'd like to see a bit more of this 2nd line prior to saying it's the answer or what not.
However, I think you can get by with either Lowry or even Namestnikov at 2c if you have an offensive catalyst on the other wing. Perfetti wasn't that, and that's why imo that line wasn't consistent offensively. Also easier to find a winger than center.

I think what was missing on that line was some heavy forechecking, wall work an net front presence.

I think the line was ok when Namestnikov was healthy - that guy is a gamer, but it obviously took it's toll on him. He was getting the shit beat out of him regularly and I just think before he was finally scratched he was barely able to play.

I just don't know what to do with Perfetti at this point. I think he's really honed some of his defensive skill and you can see the offensive chops are still there, but I think both he and Ehlers need to be on a line that compliment their abilities. I think they both need more heavy presences that can cycle, dig and get to the net.

At some point he's going to have to find a way to convert posts and passes to points in a consistent way. It's not all his fault, but if you want to be an effective top 6 winger on a contending team, you can't go cold for dozens of games at a time.

What??? I thought i was the reason why we won damnit .

Do you drive THE ACCORD?

The proof of how hot 1st line is.

Leon Draisaitl is such an unlikeable guy.

 

[BobTheSolarsystem]

Some are asking if we are over using Helle and it could really become a concern as the year goes on but the last few games have been well spaced and not overly taxing on him that being said I see Comrie between the pipes for either Calgary or Utah's game.

Saw that sportsnet ranked washington's duo as the best goaltending in the league.. guess overwork was their reason

 

[DRW204]

I'd say for the love of god get Ehlers a talented center who can score and make plays. I love Lowry but he won't put the biscuit in the basket consistently.
I'd even look at getting a top tier winger to play with Ehlers and Lowry.

Lowry similar to Namestnikov can do alot of the support and 2way things really well. And clean-up duty in front of the net. Their career and recent career offensive output is similar.

I just don't see the creativity offensively from either of those two, and they aren't huge scoring threats. Willing to be proven wrong though. Like you said, maybe get another winger that can push the pace on the other side.

I think what was missing on that line was some heavy forechecking, wall work an net front presence.

I think the line was ok when Namestnikov was healthy - that guy is a gamer, but it obviously took it's toll on him. He was getting the shit beat out of him regularly and I just think before he was finally scratched he was barely able to play.

I just don't know what to do with Perfetti at this point. I think he's really honed some of his defensive skill and you can see the offensive chops are still there, but I think both he and Ehlers need to be on a line that compliment their abilities. I think they both need more heavy presences that can cycle, dig and get to the net.

At some point he's going to have to find a way to convert posts and passes to points in a consistent way. It's not all his fault, but if you want to be an effective top 6 winger on a contending team, you can't go cold for dozens of games at a time.


Do you drive THE ACCORD?

As mentioned above, I think names and lowry can handle the non-offensive duties just fine, as well as cleaning up net front. But I don't think you can have just Ehlers as the sole fwd to push the pace and threat to shoot and score offensively.
Perfetti is kind of similar. Does the 2way support things well, but not a threat offensively. I don't think you can have 2 non-offensive threats on a top6 line. As for what to do with him, not sure. I don't know if Kupari is the answer though.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think what was missing on that line was some heavy forechecking, wall work an net front presence.

I think the line was ok when Namestnikov was healthy - that guy is a gamer, but it obviously took it's toll on him. He was getting the shit beat out of him regularly and I just think before he was finally scratched he was barely able to play.

I just don't know what to do with Perfetti at this point. I think he's really honed some of his defensive skill and you can see the offensive chops are still there, but I think both he and Ehlers need to be on a line that compliment their abilities. I think they both need more heavy presences that can cycle, dig and get to the net.

At some point he's going to have to find a way to convert posts and passes to points in a consistent way. It's not all his fault, but if you want to be an effective top 6 winger on a contending team, you can't go cold for dozens of games at a time.


Do you drive THE ACCORD?


Leon Draisaitl is such an unlikeable guy.

On plus side it keeps perfetti’s next contract down and there’s no shortage of offense. Now team just needs to give 1st line empty net points and Drai to go cold.

 

[Jets 31]

Scheifele 2nd in the NHL in goals scored with 27 . Conner is shity , only 26 goals scored. Hopefully he picks up his play soon. Just wanted to try being bitter for a change.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Scheifele 2nd in the NHL in goals scored with 27 . Conner is shity , only 26 goals scored. Hopefully he picks up his play soon. Just wanted to try being bitter for a change.

Keep trying, you’re not very good at it!

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Scheifele 2nd in the NHL in goals scored with 27 . Conner is shity , only 26 goals scored. Hopefully he picks up his play soon. Just wanted to try being bitter for a change.

Can't believe we're in 1st. Never saw it coming.
Shouldn't be much for me to complain about, lol.
I do hope they acquire a D and a forward before the deadline.

 

[Gm0ney]

Splitting up Ehlers and Perfetti seems to have fixed them both.

Over the last 10 games at 5v5:

	TOI	CF%	FF%	GF% (+/-)	xGF%	SCF%	HDCF%
Ehlers+Perfetti	76:55	47.83	47.92	66.7 (2-1)	47.89	46.30	39.13
Perfetti-Ehlers	63:49	57.14	63.89	100.0 (2-0)	68.13	64.58	76.47
Ehlers-Perfetti	60:01	58.02	63.44	75.0 (3-1)	67.47	59.57	72.73

Offensive metric rates are up and defensive rates are down in every metric.

 

[Jets 31]

Can't believe we're in 1st. Never saw it coming.
Shouldn't be much for me to complain about, lol.
I do hope they acquire a D and a forward before the deadline.

A little while ago i thought we needed a defenseman but after seeing all of our defenseman play now i don't think we do. Wouldn't mind Stanley playing a little less but other than that our defense is pretty good. Chevy is going to get Barzal from the Islanders.

 

[Hobble]

Scheifele 2nd in the NHL in goals scored with 27 . Conner is shity , only 26 goals scored. Hopefully he picks up his play soon. Just wanted to try being bitter for a change.

Connor is just a hat trick merchant.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

A little while ago i thought we needed a defenseman but after seeing all of our defenseman play now i don't think we do. Wouldn't mind Stanley playing a little less but other than that our defense is pretty good. Chevy is going to get Barzal from the Islanders.

I agree. A talented forward or two might be smartest move.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Connor is just a hat trick merchant.

H's just a one dimensional player all he does is score! He can't even do that as well as his linemate Chef.

I wonder if people around the league would consider Schief top 5 centres this year.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

H's just a one dimensional player all he does is score! He can't even do that as well as his linemate Chef.

I wonder if people around the league would consider Schief top 5 centres this year.

I'm looking forward to seeing KFC at the 4 Nations.
Wouldn't surprise me he leads it in scoring.

 

[Gm0ney]

I tracked the defensive zone exits again last night. I'm not tracking forwards, but I probably should. The Jets forwards do a lot of zone exiting.

Pionk: 12 successes (8 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 2 carry), and 0 failures.

DeMelo: 11 successes (6 uncontrolled, 5 pass) and 0 failures.

Heinola: 8 successes (3 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 3 carry) and 0 failures.

Morrissey: 6 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2pass, 2 carry) and 4 failures.

Stanley: 5 successes (1 uncontrolled, 4 pass) and 0 failures.

Samberg: 5 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 1 carry) and 2 failures.

47 successful exits, 6 failures. 88.7% success rate. Admittedly, Seattle wasn't doing much to impede the Jets' exits.

Jets overwhelmingly used the RD to exit - not sure if that was by design or just an adjustment to what the Kraken were giving them.

It's been a strange couple of games. I feel like the Jets haven't had any panic situations where they're hemmed in and desperately trying to clear the puck. Exits have been going off with hardly a hitch.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I tracked the defensive zone exits again last night. I'm not tracking forwards, but I probably should. The Jets forwards do a lot of zone exiting.

Pionk: 12 successes (8 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 2 carry), and 0 failures.

DeMelo: 11 successes (6 uncontrolled, 5 pass) and 0 failures.

Heinola: 8 successes (3 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 3 carry) and 0 failures.

Morrissey: 6 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2pass, 2 carry) and 4 failures.

Stanley: 5 successes (1 uncontrolled, 4 pass) and 0 failures.

Samberg: 5 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 1 carry) and 2 failures.

47 successful exits, 6 failures. 88.7% success rate. Admittedly, Seattle wasn't doing much to impede the Jets' exits.

Jets overwhelmingly used the RD to exit - not sure if that was by design or just an adjustment to what the Kraken were giving them.

It's been a strange couple of games. I feel like the Jets haven't had any panic situations where they're hemmed in and desperately trying to clear the puck. Exits have been going off with hardly a hitch.

What is a uncontrolled exit? Just flipping it out of zone?

 

[Gm0ney]

What is a uncontrolled exit? Just flipping it out of zone?

Yes, I classify a successful zone exit where the Jets don't retain possession as "uncontrolled". Chip outs, lobs, missed passes. As long as it isn't icing, or the exit doesn't result in the opposition immediately re-entering the zone...those are fails.

 

[NA Hockey]

Splitting up Ehlers and Perfetti seems to have fixed them both.

Over the last 10 games at 5v5:

	TOI	CF%	FF%	GF% (+/-)	xGF%	SCF%	HDCF%
Ehlers+Perfetti	76:55	47.83	47.92	66.7 (2-1)	47.89	46.30	39.13
Perfetti-Ehlers	63:49	57.14	63.89	100.0 (2-0)	68.13	64.58	76.47
Ehlers-Perfetti	60:01	58.02	63.44	75.0 (3-1)	67.47	59.57	72.73

Offensive metric rates are up and defensive rates are down in every metric.

So both have been better apart which is not surprising as they don't compliment each other stylistically.

What is a bit surprising is that Perfetti's numbers are better almost across the board than Ehlers since the split. The way people have been talking is how great Ehlers has been lately but Perfetti doesn't get that same credit from some posters when in actuality he has been better than Ehlers.

 

[Buffdog]

I tracked the defensive zone exits again last night. I'm not tracking forwards, but I probably should. The Jets forwards do a lot of zone exiting.

Pionk: 12 successes (8 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 2 carry), and 0 failures.

DeMelo: 11 successes (6 uncontrolled, 5 pass) and 0 failures.

Heinola: 8 successes (3 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 3 carry) and 0 failures.

Morrissey: 6 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2pass, 2 carry) and 4 failures.

Stanley: 5 successes (1 uncontrolled, 4 pass) and 0 failures.

Samberg: 5 successes (2 uncontrolled, 2 pass, 1 carry) and 2 failures.

47 successful exits, 6 failures. 88.7% success rate. Admittedly, Seattle wasn't doing much to impede the Jets' exits.

Jets overwhelmingly used the RD to exit - not sure if that was by design or just an adjustment to what the Kraken were giving them.

It's been a strange couple of games. I feel like the Jets haven't had any panic situations where they're hemmed in and desperately trying to clear the puck. Exits have been going off with hardly a hitch.

Seems like both Seattle and Vancouver both like to back out and try to force turnovers to counterattack on the rush

In games like that, offensive zone entries become as or more important than defensive exits

 

[Gm0ney]

So both have been better apart which is not surprising as they don't compliment each other stylistically.

What is a bit surprising is that Perfetti's numbers are better almost across the board than Ehlers since the split. The way people have been talking is how great Ehlers has been lately but Perfetti doesn't get that same credit from some posters when in actuality he has been better than Ehlers.

I think in terms of the eye test, Ehlers has been much improved since they moved him to Lowry's line. He does a lot of memorable things out there.

Perfetti's line been getting some good chances, but he's not flashy like Ehlers.

And it's a pretty small sample so far...

Seems like both Seattle and Vancouver both like to back out and try to force turnovers to counterattack on the rush

In games like that, offensive zone entries become as or more important than defensive exits

Yeah, I think teams that don't forecheck like their lives depend on it are generally gonna have a bad time against the Jets.

 

[Jet]

So both have been better apart which is not surprising as they don't compliment each other stylistically.

What is a bit surprising is that Perfetti's numbers are better almost across the board than Ehlers since the split. The way people have been talking is how great Ehlers has been lately but Perfetti doesn't get that same credit from some posters when in actuality he has been better than Ehlers.

You're not better if you do not produce as a player who's primary role it is to produce. Full stop.

 

[Adam da bomb]

You're not better if you do not produce as a player who's primary role it is to produce. Full stop.

In the 3 game sample size he has 2 points. If you go back further than that, it was before he was on the new line.
Ehlers has put up 3 points on new line, but, one of those was an empty netter.

 

[Hobble]

What is an uncontrolled exit? Just flipping it out of zone?

Have had a few uncontrolled exits in my day after some Taco Bell.

 

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Have had a few uncontrolled exits in my day after some Taco Bell.

Had a Cora exit yesterday afternoon.