Post-Game Talk: Jets 1 - Sharks 0

[Jet]

He doesn't get a lot of games, has a lot of injury issues the last couple of yearsa - and if you're always going to gauge his game based on the past, he'll never be better

Stanley has had good runs before. Unfortunately for him I think people don't like him because they want certain other players in the lineup so no matter what he does it will never be good enough

 

[surixon]

So one mistake ruins the dozens of really good shifts he had?

If that's the measure then no one on the Jets passes the test.

I swear once a player is hated around here it's over.


I think it's situational. Ehlers needs to lean there's a time and place, and I think all of our coaches so far have tried to teach him that

Yes there is definitely some situational awareness in it.

 

[wpgallday1960]

An ugly win is still a win.. I’ll take the 2 points and run. Kudos to Stanley. I’m often crtitical of him but I have to give him props for his play last night. If he played consistently like his rookie year he would be a decent bottom pair Dman.

 

[Jets 31]

So one mistake ruins the dozens of really good shifts he had?

If that's the measure then no one on the Jets passes the test.

I swear once a player is hated around here it's over.


I think it's situational. Ehlers needs to lean there's a time and place, and I think all of our coaches so far have tried to teach him that

I don't hate Stanley, just the timing of that giveaway and how bad it was created a great scoring chance that Helly had to save. Other than that i thought he played well.

 

[Jet]

Bowness could had moved Connor to the 4th line but for some reason it's always Ehlers first. The thing that is frustrating me the most about Connor right now is he's looking pass at first all the time right now, we need him shooting the puck.

If you're looking for the answer, try rewatching a game and see what happens when Ehlers turns the puck over vs. Connor.

It's not like every coach just hates Ehlers and loves Connor. Connor might be poor when we don't have the puck in our zone, but when he does have the puck he rarely does something to put the Jets at a disadvantage.

He gets pucks deep and rarely makes a bad play in high danger areas for possession shifts like the bluelines

I don't hate Stanley, just the timing of that giveaway and how bad it was created a great scoring chance that Helly had to save. Other than that i thought he played well.

Yeah it was a bad turnover for sure - but I'd bet dollars to donuts if that hadn't happened people would still be bitching about him.

 

[Jets 31]

If you're looking for the answer, try rewatching a game and see what happens when Ehlers turns the puck over vs. Connor.

It's not like every coach just hates Ehlers and loves Connor. Connor might be poor when we don't have the puck in our zone, but when he does have the puck he rarely does something to put the Jets at a disadvantage.

He gets pucks deep and rarely makes a bad play in high danger areas for possession shifts like the bluelines

I would agree with this, just want Connor to get a little more aggressive when he has the puck.

 

[cbcwpg]

Saw this on the web....

By allowing three goals or fewer for 30 consecutive games in the regular season, Helly became the 10th goalie in NHL history to reach this milestone.

 

[surixon]

If you're looking for the answer, try rewatching a game and see what happens when Ehlers turns the puck over vs. Connor.

It's not like every coach just hates Ehlers and loves Connor. Connor might be poor when we don't have the puck in our zone, but when he does have the puck he rarely does something to put the Jets at a disadvantage.

He gets pucks deep and rarely makes a bad play in high danger areas for possession shifts like the bluelines

Agreed. The coaches we have employed heavily emphasize north south play and managing risk through the nz. Ehlers isn't always good at that.

 

[Jets 31]

Saw this on the web....

By allowing three goals or fewer for 30 consecutive games in the regular season, Helly became the 10th goalie in NHL history to reach this milestone.

He's worth every penny he gets paid.

 

[DRW204]

Bowness could had moved Connor to the 4th line but for some reason it's always Ehlers first. The thing that is frustrating me the most about Connor right now is he's looking pass at first all the time right now, we need him shooting the puck.

Idk the specifics of last night bc I missed 2/3s of the game. But there have been plenty of instances in the past were Connor has been super soft on plays or we're defending 4 on 5 bc he's floating, and it's just ho hum fine. He's a winger not expecting him to be a superstar defensively but at least average?

Connors most successful offensive season came with a bulk of his minutes away from scheifele where he was generating shots and chances at even higher rates than normal. 21-22 wasn't a sh% bender, but one for SOGs. Maybe there something to it, not sure. But the org were apparently salivating at the idea of KC back at the top while Ehlers-Scheifele-Vilardi where scoring a bunch of goals.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Win is a win.

Let's start scoring some goals please.

 

[Jet]

I would agree with this, just want Connor to get a little more aggressive when he has the puck.

I'm pretty happy with Connor offensively. He seems to play an extremely consistent game and is pretty good with puck management. This is likely the reason he's been extremely consistent over his career.

I still feel like his slump last season and this past little bit are outliers and are part of a team issue more than a way that Connor plays issue. It's kind of bizzare, really.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

8 games without a PP goal, going 0-21 in that time and I think we're something like 1-35 in the last 15 or so.

The Jets offensive woes are really something to scratch your head about. I'll always take a greasy 1-0 win over a loss, but I just can't figure out how a team with Connor, Ehlers, Vilardi, Scheifele and Morrissey can't score goals. We've even taken Monahan who was on a bit of an offensive tear before traded here and made him more or less invisible.

How does this change? How can Bowness not want to tinker more with the top 6 forwards?

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Do all defensive first teams ultimately become boring? I think of the wild of past with snooze fest 3 goal games.

 

[Gm0ney]

I don't know what's up with the Jets always looking to pass away from the slot instead of shooting it. It happened over and over again last night. Puck comes to a player right in the "royal road" and they dish it off to a guy in a way worse shooting position (like below the faceoff circle) - who then takes the shot.

Also, so many in-tight shots seem to be aimed directly at the centre of the net - where the goalie is sitting.

These guys have the yips so bad...they need a few games where everything is going in for them to shake this thing.

Also, I think Stanley's been decent at home where they can shelter him a bit more (he mostly lined up against the Sharks 3rd and 4th lines last night).

 

[Inanna]

Do all defensive first teams ultimately become boring? I think of the wild of past with snooze fest 3 goal games.

I can forgive boring for a victory, especially when the last five minutes of the game were definitely not boring.

I'd rather follow a boring team deep into the playoffs than an exciting team that has no post-season play.

And, as much as I hate to extend the endless Stanley talk here, can you imagine if we traded him to Van and they put Stanley and Myers together as a pairing? Players would feel like they were rushing down on The Argonath.

 

[kanadalainen]

, can you imagine if we traded him to Van and they put Stanley and Myers together as a pairing? Players would feel like they were rushing down on The Argonath.

Chaos Giraffe and Sequoia Boy tag-team. Forwards like Perfetti could skate *under* their coverage.

 

[LowLefty]

Stanley has had good runs before. Unfortunately for him I think people don't like him because they want certain other players in the lineup so no matter what he does it will never be good enough

100% agree!

 

[hockeyarena]

I can forgive boring for a victory, especially when the last five minutes of the game were definitely not boring.

I'd rather follow a boring team deep into the playoffs than an exciting team that has no post-season play.

And, as much as I hate to extend the endless Stanley talk here, can you imagine if we traded him to Van and they put Stanley and Myers together as a pairing? Players would feel like they were rushing down on The Argonath.

And the guiness world record for largest pilons acquired at the same time.

 

[LowLefty]

If that's the problem, then atleast have vilardi with one of them? Neither scheifele, Connor are good defensively. I'd say Ehlers is around average for a winger. Vilardi adds a little more, as well as some size /net front

I'd like to see the lines revert back to 81/55/13 and if we stay healthy, leave them alone.
I agree that we need a mix of size/dplay/mucker, playmaker, and scoring on at least the top 2 lines -
Bones needs to be patient - too much blender going on in the top 6.

I also think the second can develop into something positive offensively if they add Ehlers and leave him there to develop chem with 23/91 - there is no reason that trio can't make it work.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Nik likes to free wheel sometimes it bites him in the ass and in a close game in a game that you can't afford to lose Bones made a move that some might not like but sometimes needs to be made

And yet KC and Scheifele remain together and the team can't buy a goal.

At some point the pucks will start flying into the net. Tons of high scoring chances.

Just like all winning streaks/scoring streaks come to an end, so do all slumps.

It is frustrating to watch when a whole team goes cold at the same time, but it will end.

 

[WpgSteve]

I see lots of Canucks game here and you are going to see a big difference on how the Canucks pass and shoot and why they are the #1 offence in the league.
When the Canucks make a pass in the offensive zone before the defenders can react ... they already made another pass or the shot is on net and there's a guy in front of the net banging in the rebound.
Also the shots from the point are not always slapshots but hard wrist shots and they don't waste time.
Hopefully the Jets can learn from them.
This should be a good game #1 offence vs #1 defence and we all know defence wins championships.

I may be disappointed, but I think the Jets will show up for the game against the Canucks. The team seems to have a lot of pride this season.

 

[jokesondee]

The Jets have scored 2 goals or less in 10 of the last 11 games. That is not a recipe for success. Need to figure it out asap. Saturdays game has the makings of a blood bath.

 

[Jets 31]

I'd like to see the lines revert back to 81/55/13 and if we stay healthy, leave them alone.
I agree that we need a mix of size/dplay/mucker, playmaker, and scoring on at least the top 2 lines -
Bones needs to be patient - too much blender going on in the top 6.

I also think the second can develop into something positive offensively if they add Ehlers and leave him there to develop chem with 23/91 - there is no reason that trio can't make it work.

I agree, the 3rd line is written in stone but he sure likes changing up the 1st and 2nd lines.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I don't know what's up with the Jets always looking to pass away from the slot instead of shooting it. It happened over and over again last night. Puck comes to a player right in the "royal road" and they dish it off to a guy in a way worse shooting position (like below the faceoff circle) - who then takes the shot.

Also, so many in-tight shots seem to be aimed directly at the centre of the net - where the goalie is sitting.

These guys have the yips so bad...they need a few games where everything is going in for them to shake this thing.

Also, I think Stanley's been decent at home where they can shelter him a bit more (he mostly lined up against the Sharks 3rd and 4th lines last night).

No better time than the present to move Barron up to the second line. His motor is always going and the kid has 9 goals so far on the 4th line.
I think we need a little less fancy and a little more grit in our top 6.