Player Discussion Jesse Puljujarvi Part 11: Solid Return Season Completed, How Does Next Season Go For the Big Finn?

[Kaako Kappo]

Whatever McDavids points are....JPs have to go up. His points last year were abysmal for his opportunity.

JP needs to grow into a winger who can produce vs that guy who plays on Connor's wing

Sure, give him more PP time and maybe that'll happen. If not, then don't expect him to score 60 points 5v5.

 

[Kolja]

This was a very interesting interview made not so long ago. .....".

In other words, he's human. Posters tend to forget that.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Jesse's game needs to improve 5 on 5 and on the PK. We do not need to give Puljujarvi an extra ~ 15-20 pp points when Hyman could just as easily score those points. Hyman is signed long term. Jesse will be priced out of the market when he becomes a RFA if put on the best power play in the league. Some of you would sink any and all chances of this club ever winning a championship for a momentary endorphin rush.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

Jesse's game needs to improve 5 on 5 and on the PK. We do not need to give Puljujarvi an extra ~ 15-20 pp points when Hyman could just as easily score those points. Hyman is signed long term. Jesse will be priced out of the market when he becomes a RFA if put on the best power play in the league. Some of you would sink any and all chances of this club ever winning a championship for a momentary endorphin rush.

Piss him off again. Good idea. Actually why not bury him to the 4th line so he scores 10 points, he will be real cheap then.

You want them to sandbag him while also demanding more scoring from him. Brilliant.

 

[Broberg Speed]

Piss him off again. Good idea. Actually why not bury him to the 4th line so he scores 10 points, he will be real cheap then.

He plays with the most skilled player to ever lace up the skates. Jesse needs to support that player and LEARN. If he can't appreciate the opportunity of playing on the wing of Connor McDavid...

 

[Kaako Kappo]

He plays with the most skilled player to ever lace up the skates. Jesse needs to support that player and LEARN. If he can't appreciate the opportunity of playing on the wing of Connor McDavid...

Sounds like he does appreciate it, judging from the recent interviews. So, problem already solved.

 

[McNuge]

Stifling a team now to hope for savings in the future would be the most Oilers thing to do. You play your best players in the position they can succeed in. If Pulju comes in and blows the roof off why wouldn't you put him on the PP?

 

[Broberg Speed]

Stifling a team now to hope for savings in the future would be the most Oilers thing to do. You play your best players in the position they can succeed in. If Pulju comes in and blows the roof off why wouldn't you put him on the PP?

So you don't want Hyman on the first unit power play, you would place Puljujarvi above him? Say goodbye to Puljujarvi.

 

[Stud Muffin]

Realistically we could have upgraded on Yamo before spending 9m on Keith/Ceci.

 

[McNuge]

So you don't want Hyman on the first unit power play, you would place Puljujarvi above him? Say goodbye to Puljujarvi.

I want who ever has the best chance of producing and pushing us towards the win column. Whether that's Hyman, Pulju, or who ever really. I don't care. I want wins and so does the team.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

So you don't want Hyman on the first unit power play, you would place Puljujarvi above him? Say goodbye to Puljujarvi.

If the player has earned the time on first pp, you go with the better option that will lead to success and wins.
Even if he is not on first pp and still blows the doors out of the water with his play and prices himself out of the team. It is only a good thing because his value will be that much higher to get a good value return for him.
It's bound to happen, every team has to makes these type of decisions. Having an excess of good to great players is a good thing, you keep the best for your core and as tough as it is to let go of potential great players, it's also an opportunity to get a return that will solidify a weaker position on the team and maybe high draft picks that will come on cheap elc in the future.
My mindset is give every player on the team the opportunity excel and succeed. Let management deal with everything else in the offseason.

 

[Anarchism]

So maybe we have the personel to have a second power play this year that divides the time up--maybe overall we score a little less on the PP but the big guns are fresher in the 3rd.??
Especially if one of new kids works out Benson Perlini or ....

 

[Aerchon]

Sure, give him more PP time and maybe that'll happen. If not, then don't expect him to score 60 points 5v5.

Jesse's game needs to improve 5 on 5 and on the PK. We do not need to give Puljujarvi an extra ~ 15-20 pp points when Hyman could just as easily score those points. Hyman is signed long term. Jesse will be priced out of the market when he becomes a RFA if put on the best power play in the league. Some of you would sink any and all chances of this club ever winning a championship for a momentary endorphin rush.

Piss him off again. Good idea. Actually why not bury him to the 4th line so he scores 10 points, he will be real cheap then.

You want them to sandbag him while also demanding more scoring from him. Brilliant.

I want who ever has the best chance of producing and pushing us towards the win column. Whether that's Hyman, Pulju, or who ever really. I don't care. I want wins and so does the team.

Puljujarvi got a great opportunity last year and did well with it. I think his 5v5 play was very good. Better than many credit but also not to the point yet where he consistently drives the play. Something imo he is capable of.

Puljujarvi will not be used on the #1 PP and not be racking up massive minutes. He will be used in rotation with others. This will be done to reward everyone as those opportunities are limited AND because the Oilers don't want to inflate his numbers.

Cap management and development uses prime offensive ice time as a valuable tool to build the team and the player. It's just the way it is in the cap world.

 

[HockeyHistorian]

I would love to see Jesse on the first (and pretty much, the only) PP squad, but I have little faith that it will happen. I would also very much like to see him more down low on the left side where he could sometimes shoot a one-timer or two.

 

[Aerchon]

So maybe we have the personel to have a second power play this year that divides the time up--maybe overall we score a little less on the PP but the big guns are fresher in the 3rd.??
Especially if one of new kids works out Benson Perlini or ....

We absolutely should have 2 PP units. To really do that effectively it means breaking up McDrai tho. That will never happen and while I think it would improve the team significantly it's hard to argue with the results Tippett has gotten these last 2 years.

2 PP units spreads the wealth around and keeps more of our players offensively sharp. Lowers McDrai rediculous ice time which imo is desperately needed.

A change like that improves game management but it's hard to say for sure with the PP current success if enough.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

I would love to see Jesse on the first (and pretty much, the only) PP squad, but I have little faith that it will happen. I would also very much like to see him more down low on the left side where he could sometimes shoot a one-timer or two.

I'm pretty sure Jesse finished the season playing #1 PP in front of the net though?

 

[Broberg Speed]

If the player has earned the time on first pp, you go with the better option that will lead to success and wins.
Even if he is not on first pp and still blows the doors out of the water with his play and prices himself out of the team. It is only a good thing because his value will be that much higher to get a good value return for him.
It's bound to happen, every team has to makes these type of decisions. Having an excess of good to great players is a good thing, you keep the best for your core and as tough as it is to let go of potential great players, it's also an opportunity to get a return that will solidify a weaker position on the team and maybe high draft picks that will come on cheap elc in the future.
My mindset is give every player on the team the opportunity excel and succeed. Let management deal with everything else in the offseason.

We have the best power play in the league by a wide margin with or without Puljujarvi on it. I think Hyman has been in the league longer and deserves the prime minutes on the first unit power play. He is also signed long term and should be rewarded for signing that contract.

The difference is paying approximately 3-4 million on Jesse's next contract vs approximately 6-7 million. If it's the latter he is gone and we won't get anything resembling an equitable return for him. We will get peanuts and pocket lint for him.

There are other areas of the game for Puljujarvi to work on. Like I said, pk and even strength. I don't have a problem with Jesse playing second unit power play. I have a huge problem with him playing with McDavid, Draisaitl and Barrie on the first power play because I think it's pretty much a given that would mean the end of poolparty in Edmonton.

Teams won't be bending over backwards to help us fit under the cap next year. It doesn't work that way. They'll be bending us over and screwing us royally.

 

[Broberg Speed]

I'm pretty sure Jesse finished the season playing #1 PP in front of the net though?

You don't watch the team? I get it. You don't want Puljujarvi playing for the Edmonton Oilers. Be up front and admit it.

 

[Broberg Speed]

The team must set standards, a hierarchy, and that goes with the pay structure in a capped league. You want a winner, you'll have to stop being a fanboy.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Sure, give him more PP time and maybe that'll happen. If not, then don't expect him to score 60 points 5v5.

So his game/role on that line shouldn't improve?

Nobody said 60. But 45 -55 is not a massive expectation playing beside McD.

Going 4-5 game stretches not producing on the top.line should be an expectation.. for himself

 

[LMFAO]

Sure, give him more PP time and maybe that'll happen. If not, then don't expect him to score 60 points 5v5.

Tippet was too busy giving premier PP time to Chiasson last season (who still can’t even get a PTO right now)

i expect the PP this season

Draisailt - Hyman - RNH
McDavid - Barrie

Draisailt - Puljujarvi - Yamamoto
McDavid - Nurse

 

[McNuge]

Puljujarvi got a great opportunity last year and did well with it. I think his 5v5 play was very good. Better than many credit but also not to the point yet where he consistently drives the play. Something imo he is capable of.

Puljujarvi will not be used on the #1 PP and not be racking up massive minutes. He will be used in rotation with others. This will be done to reward everyone as those opportunities are limited AND because the Oilers don't want to inflate his numbers.

Cap management and development uses prime offensive ice time as a valuable tool to build the team and the player. It's just the way it is in the cap world.

Not that I disagree with any of what you said. But imagine being McDavid and Drai looking at the coach under utilizing a player simply to keep the cap down in the future. After so many early exits or not even making the playoffs at all. There is no logical reason to hurt the team in win now mode to save a bit of money in a year or 2.

 

[Kaako Kappo]

You don't watch the team? I get it. You don't want Puljujarvi playing for the Edmonton Oilers. Be up front and admit it.

I watched plenty of Oilers last season, with quite the effort too because the games start 4 AM my time. And I am fairly sure that Puljujärvi ended the season on the first powerplay unit. Am I correct or do I remember wrong? Can you answer the question instead of being a gatekeeping prick?

 

[Broberg Speed]

I watched plenty of Oilers last season, with quite the effort too because the games start 4 AM my time. And I am fairly sure that Puljujärvi ended the season on the first powerplay unit. Am I correct or do I remember wrong? Can you answer the question instead of being a gatekeeping prick?

You can enquire after Puljujarvi from someone else. Good luck.

 

[Staghorn]

Not that I disagree with any of what you said. But imagine being McDavid and Drai looking at the coach under utilizing a player simply to keep the cap down in the future. After so many early exits or not even making the playoffs at all. There is no logical reason to hurt the team in win now mode to save a bit of money in a year or 2.

This exactly... No coach ever is going to not play a guy just to work the cap next year... That makes zero sense. If he crushes the PP then the Oilers in theory win more, and that is the name of the game, not managing his cap and keeping his numbers down....