Player Discussion Jesse Puljujärvi 4th Overall 2016 Draft.

[walktheboulavard]

Amazing hands, big shot albeit there is some room for improvement in terms of accuracy. I've heard a scout say he could very well finish his career at centre as his skill set allows him for that capacity, and elite speed (not sure if people fully realize how fast he truly is --speed demon).

Connor McDavid, Jesse Puljujarvi, Darnell Nurse...we could very well have the top 3 skaters in the league.

 

[DaJackal]

Haha nice

I wonder if there's still people following the Oilers because of Kurri

Yes there are. (Not me, but I know at least three.)

 

[kelsier]

There is nothing skeptical in thinking Laine with elite skating isn't the same tier as McDavid. McDavid beats Laine in every single regard except for shot. Even if we magically added McDavid's skating to Laine's skillset, he still wouldn't have the hands and awareness of McDavid and couldn't utilize the speed nearly as well.

The same applies to Puljujärvi and I am a huge fan of his. So your "I don't know what exactly you have against Laine" excuse doesn't work this time.

Yeah you've made it more than clear that your one of the biggest JP fans here. One day maybe you'll realise Patrik doesn't make Jesse any less of a player.

Still please, every single category? If you really want an answer to that, yeah it's a no. And yes McDavid is the best young hockey player in the world today. You are starting to sound more like a Leafs fan after each passing day. Yeah, it's obvious that you've found a new territory to belittle Laine, and while addressing the matter subtly you could get tons of support (like using McDavid as a flame bait in the Oilers forums). There's really no need for that. Puljujärvi is a terrific prospect, but he was out of the WHC squad for a reason. Laine got picked for the exact opposite reasons Puljujärvi was left out. I'd suggest you to read up what Vanqu1sh had to say because I share some of those sentiments. I think McDavid and Laine will be the next Crosby and Ovechkin of this new generation (while neither actually being a copy of these two hockey icons).

No point derail any further. Puljujärvi and McDavid are a match made up in heaven. If not next year then the year after, but it's abound to happen.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

Yeah you've made it more than clear that your one of the biggest JP fans here. One day maybe you'll realise Patrik doesn't make Jesse any less of a player.

Still please, every single category? If you really want an answer to that, yeah it's a no. And yes McDavid is the best young hockey player in the world today. You are starting to sound more like a Leafs fan after each passing day. Yeah, it's obvious that you've found a new territory to belittle Laine, and while addressing the matter subtly you could get tons of support (like using McDavid as a flame bait in the Oilers forums). There's really no need for that. Puljujärvi is a terrific prospect, but he was out of the WHC squad for a reason. Laine got picked for the exact opposite reasons Puljujärvi was left out. I'd suggest you to read up what Vanqu1sh had to say because I share some of those sentiments. I think McDavid and Laine will be the next Crosby and Ovechkin of this new generation (while neither actually being a copy of these two hockey icons).

No point derail any further. Puljujärvi and McDavid are a match made up in heaven. If not next year then the year after, but it's abound to happen.

Well I don't. Sorry, I don't see Ovechkin in Laine, not stylistically nor potential wise. Their skillsets are so different and they don't even play the game similarly. Ovechkin is a rush player, Laine is a possession player. Ovechkin is a fantastic skater, Laine is an average skater. Their games have nothing in common except both are big and shoot hard.

It seems your getting emotional and confused over my preference. I don't hate or belittle Laine, I just don't see the upside others are seeing and don't have him as high in the ranking order. I have my reasons and they have nothing to do with Puljujärvi, just limitations in his skillset that have me concerned. I don't hate Laine, you need to get over that.

And I didn't post here to bash Laine. I just responded to your comment that Laine with Eichel's skating is McDavid's tier and took exception to it.

 

[kelsier]

Well I don't. Sorry, I don't see Ovechkin in Laine, not stylistically nor potential wise. Their skillsets are so different and they don't even play the game similarly. Ovechkin is a rush player, Laine is a possession player. Ovechkin is a fantastic skater, Laine is an average skater. Their games have nothing in common except both are big and shoot hard.

It seems your getting emotional and confused over my preference. I don't hate or belittle Laine, I just don't see the upside others are seeing and don't have him as high in the ranking order. I have my reasons and they have nothing to do with Puljujärvi, just limitations in his skillset that have me concerned. I don't hate Laine, you need to get over that.

And I didn't post here to bash Laine. I just responded to your comment that Laine with Eichel's skating is McDavid's tier and took exception to it.

Your giving yourself far too much credit if you think anyone is getting emotional. I was only referring to your recent history of reviewing Patrik in general.

Oh I don't see much of Ovechkin either in Laine. They don't have much in common other than both having world class shot. Ovechkin was a physical phenomenon at a very young age, similar to for lets say Barkov who was far more mature compared to pretty much all his Finnish peers, of course without the skating. That's an aspect Laine can and will improve. Other than that, Laine is much smarter and more dimensional prospect Ovechkin ever was. Aside from that Laine's draft season was historically speaking out of all the European prospects throughout the ages pretty much uncontested. So we can agree to disagree. We can share thoughts about Laine but lets try to keep it out of this thread if that's fine with you.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

Your giving yourself far too much credit if you think anyone is getting emotional. I was only referring to your recent history of reviewing Patrik in general.

Oh I don't see much of Ovechkin either in Laine. They don't have much in common other than both having world class shot. Ovechkin was a physical phenomenon at a very young age, similar to for lets say Barkov who was far more mature compared to pretty much all his Finnish peers, of course without the skating. That's an aspect Laine can and will improve. Other than that, Laine is much smarter and more dimensional prospect Ovechkin ever was. Aside from that Laine's draft season was historically speaking out of all the European prospects throughout the ages pretty much uncontested. So we can agree to disagree. We can share thoughts about Laine but lets try to keep it out of this thread if that's fine with you.

I agree that Laine's season was exceptional in terms of accomplishments. Not even Ovechkin achieved things Laine did in his draft year.

And yes, lets keep Laine out of this thread from here on out.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Did Panarin prove anything in the NHL before last season? What about McDavid or Hall in his rookie season?

Which one of the "wonder kids" had a poor rookie season because they got to play in the top 6 where they belonged?

Just because you have a limited knowledge of a player and his abilities doesn't mean he shouldn't get the ice time he deserves. Puljujarvi is regarded as being in the same tier as Hall was and higher than RNH or Yak.

Why do you insist that he play with scrubs who do not compliment his abilities?

Yeah because players make it to the NHL without even trying..,,

 

[nabob]

Yeah because players make it to the NHL without even trying..,,

Im thinking something was lost in translation there..,,

 

[BB88]

2 full games to watch if anyone else is having a boring day like me

The 1st one is a good one to watch as it has all Niemelainen, Rasanen and Pulju.





2 15min Pulju-Aho- Laine line highlight game videos from WJC.

 

[Booster*]

That trio is the best Finland has ever produced.


Imagine them all playing WJC again this winter.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

And to think we could have had 2/3 if Chiarelli hadn't allowed MacT and the other Oilers/Oil Kings boosters to unduly influence him. Aho at 33 would have been perfect.

 

[BB88]

And to think we could have had 2/3 if Chiarelli hadn't allowed MacT and the other Oilers/Oil Kings boosters to unduly influence him. Aho at 33 would have been perfect.

Do you know if Edmonton had shown intrest in Aho year ago?

 

[ChicagoBullsFan]

That trio is the best Finland has ever produced.


Imagine them all playing WJC again this winter.

Not gonna happen Finland build their world junior team without Laine, Aho and Puljujärvi.
And why they should even participate Finland again in U20 WJC's.

Those 3 guys ( Laine,Aho, Puljujärvi) are already proved their skills in world juniors and won U20 WJC gold medal.
So it's time to focus NHL games

 

[jlockhart89]

JP wheels up

 

[jukon]

What do you guys think about him playing in the NHL next year? I hope we send him to the AHL unless he is clearly adapting amazingly to the NHL. Tired of seeing past mistakes repeated.

 

[Young Lions*]

What do you guys think about him playing in the NHL next year? I hope we send him to the AHL unless he is clearly adapting amazingly to the NHL. Tired of seeing past mistakes repeated.

The smart move is to have him play in the AHL so he will probably start the year in Edmonton.

 

[Mr Positive]

What do you guys think about him playing in the NHL next year? I hope we send him to the AHL unless he is clearly adapting amazingly to the NHL. Tired of seeing past mistakes repeated.

I'm with you there, and really as a 4th overall player it's far from insulting to spend a whole season away from the NHL. The plan should be to put him in the AHL and call him up mid-season or even wait till next year, but of course he has the power to change the plan if he shows up to camp and blows everyone away.

 

[nabob]

What do you guys think about him playing in the NHL next year? I hope we send him to the AHL unless he is clearly adapting amazingly to the NHL. Tired of seeing past mistakes repeated.

If he proves in camp and preseason that he is ready why not play him in the NHL?

He has the size and playing style to excel at in the NHL. If he struggles or shows he needs AHL seasoning he can always be sent down.

Which past mistakes would be repeated? Simply putting him in the AHL based on past players or just because would be silly. Evaluate each player based on their own merit.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

Hes close to NHL ready if not there already and I have no doubt once he is on the he NHL he is there for good.

If he isn't good enough for the NHL in the fall, chia will send him down for however long it takes for him to not need to go back. Maybe 5 games, maybe 20, maybe 0.

I have faith in chia

 

[Paralyzer]

People are always forgetting that past mistakes isn't throwing a 18 year old into the lineup, it's throwing him into a lineup when he is ready and/if he is sheltered. Both questions will be answered come pre-season. Let's wait til then and decide from there if he is ready or not. I wouldn't throw him into the AHL even if he is ready because of 'past mistakes'. You let the kid show you he is ready. Don't assume he won't be.

 

[Young Lions*]

People are always forgetting that past mistakes isn't throwing a 18 year old into the lineup, it's throwing him into a lineup when he is ready and/if he is sheltered. Both questions will be answered come pre-season. Let's wait til then and decide from there if he is ready or not. I wouldn't throw him into the AHL even if he is ready because of 'past mistakes'. You let the kid show you he is ready. Don't assume he won't be.

I say assume he won't be and make him prove you wrong. Remember: Drai was deemed ready right after his draft year and never got any traction, which resulted in them burning a year off his ELC for no good reason. That's the past mistake people are talking about.

 

[Ironhorse]

Drai was thrown in because there was no contingency plan. Eakins complained they had two NHL centers. We are well removed from that type of disorganization. The Finn makes the team if his play warrants it, not because we need him to due to lack of options. Considerable difference. If he makes the team it`s because he has bumped someone out of a spot. The point is we don`t need to pencil him in.

 

[BB88]

I read about is Pulju going to be handled like Dra article today.

But don't they have few key differences?
Pulju played against men when Dra was in WHL, Puljus skating is elite and Pulju is not asked to be the saviour. There are atleast McDavid, Lucic, RNH, Eberle, Dra ahead of him in the forward rankings.
Lucic is a Cup winning veteran who did great job with Pasta, and with the defense improved they should spend less time in the D-zone.

 

[Kyyrii]

I read about is Pulju going to be handled like Dra article today.

But don't they have few key differences?
Pulju played against men when Dra was in WHL, Puljus skating is elite and Pulju is not asked to be the saviour. There are atleast McDavid, Lucic, RNH, Eberle, Dra ahead of him in the forward rankings.
Lucic is a Cup winning veteran who did great job with Pasta, and with the defense improved they should spend less time in the D-zone.

And, Pulju plays wing. Easiest place to adapt.

My prediction is, that Jesse will come to the camp and blow the roof of. Atleast in that level that it would be stupid to send him to AHL. As we can see he already has started skating (but if that vid is in full speed, then Jesse really doesn't skate at full speed yet) and just last week he let us to know, that he really had a good training week. And Jesse doesn't say things like that if he really doesn't mean them.

Jesse is now really motivated. He doesn't even train in his home city, instead he chose to train in Helsinki where he can get the best training suited for him. Jesse knows his weaknessess, he has trained as a pro over two years now and has the passion to be better every day. He works every day giving 100% with a big heart and thirst to learn more. And most importantly Jesse is not stupid. He knows that there's always a possibility that he may have to play some games in AHL and I think that that knowledge gives him even more determination.

Thank god it's almost August. Only couple of months and we see Jesse in Penticton and camps. After that we may have done our own desicions about is he ready or not. And the Oilers too, hopefully. I don't know if I look Jesse through very thick fanglasses when I think that he is even ready to make some kind of an impact in NHL this season. Not maybe in 5-on-5 yet, but atleast in PP with his one timers. And maybe he even delivers couple of those 5-holes he loves. And he of course does this all with that huge smile of his in his face.

 

[Fourier]

Drai was thrown in because there was no contingency plan. Eakins complained they had two NHL centers. We are well removed from that type of disorganization. The Finn makes the team if his play warrants it, not because we need him to due to lack of options. Considerable difference. If he makes the team it`s because he has bumped someone out of a spot. The point is we don`t need to pencil him in.

Draisaitl had skating issues that Puljujarvi certainly does not. He was also being asked to play as an NHL center with little protection in a system=m designed by the great Dallas Eakins. Even experienced pros had no clue waht to do. I am going to guess that had McDavid been around and Draisiatl was started on the wing his transition would have been smoother.

Puljujarvi is very likely to have far less weight on his shoulders. If he plays he will probably have much better line-mates as well.