Value of: Jesper Bratt (and Timo Meier)

[Sparkleton]

Because hes had two negotiations gone awry and Im willing to bet his agent wants 9. So if you drop two years you can bring the AAV down as well as Bratt can get another decent contract at 31.

Wouldn’t the AAV go UP on a 6 year contract vs an 8 one? The whole point of 8 is security and therefore less AAV. Why would a 6 year contract be cheaper AAV?

Bratt doesn’t care about a new contract at 31 when he has no idea where his health is at. Only a bad boss tells you to take less money now because you might make more later.

 

[NHL Fanatik]

Wouldn’t the AAV go UP on a 6 year contract vs an 8 one? The whole point of 8 is security and therefore less AAV. Why would a 6 year contract be cheaper AAV?

Bratt doesn’t care about a new contract at 31 when he has no idea where his health is at. Only a bad boss tells you to take less money now because you might make more later.

Bratt is a soon-to-be UFA so you're buying all UFA years instead of mostly RFA years

With RFAs the price goes down over term (because youre buying cost-controlled years) but with UFA's (or those one year away) the price goes up for term (or super short deals).

At least, thats how most deals go anyway

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I hate to say it but with how good Mercer has been playing Bratt’s situation is getting a little trickier. That and was taken off the top two lines and he’s been playing with Palat and Haula on the 3rd line. He’s also been benched by Ruff before.

I’m really hoping they can come to an agreement on a contract as I consider Bratt to be part of the core but it’s not looking too good right now. I wouldn’t go above 7.5 for him and I’d really push for 7.

I’d give Meier his 9 per. He’s made a couple of mistakes since joining the team but he obviously just needed to get used to his new teammates and system. His size and skill are more valuable to the team.

I wonder if there’s a deal around a good young goalie they can make if Bratt won’t sign. Maybe something around Saros?

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

I hate to say it but with how good Mercer has been playing Bratt’s situation is getting a little trickier. That and was taken off the top two lines and he’s been playing with Palat and Haula on the 3rd line. He’s also been benched by Ruff before.

I’m really hoping they can come to an agreement on a contract as I consider Bratt to be part of the core but it’s not looking too good right now. I wouldn’t go above 7.5 for him and I’d really push for 7.

I’d give Meier his 9 per. He’s made a couple of mistakes since joining the team but he obviously just needed to get used to his new teammates and system. His size and skill are more valuable to the team.

I wonder if there’s a deal around a good young goalie they can make if Bratt won’t sign. Maybe something around Saros?

What numbers are you using to make the case that Timo is worth more than Bratt? Not to mention the excellent season the Devils are having with Bratt as their 3rd best F. Talk about an overreaction to a cold spell for Bratt. Lets see if Timo produces now that he is not playing garbage time out West before we move a core piece like Bratt.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

What numbers are you using to make the case that Timo is worth more than Bratt? Not to mention the excellent season the Devils are having with Bratt as their 3rd best F. Talk about an overreaction to a cold spell for Bratt. Lets see if Timo produces now that he is not playing garbage time out West before we move a core piece like Bratt.

It’s more of a reaction to Bratt not signing and overall being difficult to sign. I value Meier’s size and his use of it which is why I’d give him more. We still have Holtz and Gritsyuk coming up who might be able to replace Bratt if necessary.

Again I really want Bratt to re-sign but if he doesn’t there are options Fitz should look into. We just can’t pay both him and Meier 9 million each.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

It’s more of a reaction to Bratt not signing and overall being difficult to sign. I value Meier’s size and his use of it which is why I’d give him more. We still have Holtz and Gritsyuk coming up who might be able to replace Bratt if necessary.

Again I really want Bratt to re-sign but if he doesn’t there are options Fitz should look into. We just can’t pay both him and Meier 9 million each.

I think my main disagreement with you is that Timo is worth $9 mil. Compare Bratt, Timo and Fiala ($7.875 cap hit) with respect to counting stats or advanced stats and all 3 should be in the same price range. IMO Devils fans are overrating Meier. They have the 3rd best record in the NHL thiis year. Not sure they "need" what Meier brings as much as fans think.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Send one to Washington, please and thank you. You owe us for Siegenthaler and Vanecek.

Take Vanecek back for a pick

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It’s more of a reaction to Bratt not signing and overall being difficult to sign. I value Meier’s size and his use of it which is why I’d give him more. We still have Holtz and Gritsyuk coming up who might be able to replace Bratt if necessary.

Again I really want Bratt to re-sign but if he doesn’t there are options Fitz should look into. We just can’t pay both him and Meier 9 million each.

Holtz is never going to be able to replace Bratt.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I think my main disagreement with you is that Timo is worth $9 mil. Compare Bratt, Timo and Fiala ($7.875 cap hit) with respect to counting stats or advanced stats and all 3 should be in the same price range. IMO Devils fans are overrating Meier. They have the 3rd best record in the NHL thiis year. Not sure they "need" what Meier brings as much as fans think.

You may be right about some of us overrating Meier. I guess part of it could be the fear of losing all of those assets if he doesn’t re-sign with us (which weren’t all that vital to the organization anyway).

I do think it’s important to have someone like Meier who is big and uses his body and can score over another small skilled forward though. He’s already thrown some big hits which is something this team lacked severely.

I just hope we can keep both because a forward core with Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, and Meier locked up would be top tier.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Holtz is never going to be able to replace Bratt.

Not replace him but hopefully make up some of the points we’d be losing if Bratt was traded. They don’t play anything alike. I guess I’m hoping Gritsyuk would be closer to Bratt in style.

 

[Forge]

What numbers are you using to make the case that Timo is worth more than Bratt? Not to mention the excellent season the Devils are having with Bratt as their 3rd best F. Talk about an overreaction to a cold spell for Bratt. Lets see if Timo produces now that he is not playing garbage time out West before we move a core piece like Bratt.

Its cliche, but I do think that teams value the size and physicality that Timo plays at more than how Fiala / Bratt get theirs. I'm not sure thats worth an extra million a year on a new contract (especially since I think it runs the risk of going south a lot faster than a Bratt or Fiala long term extension would), but I get why he would get it. Same way Josh Anderson ends up at 5.5, tbh. I agree that he should get a slightly inflated Fiala deal but not completely blow it out of the water.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I think my main disagreement with you is that Timo is worth $9 mil. Compare Bratt, Timo and Fiala ($7.875 cap hit) with respect to counting stats or advanced stats and all 3 should be in the same price range. IMO Devils fans are overrating Meier. They have the 3rd best record in the NHL thiis year. Not sure they "need" what Meier brings as much as fans think.

if you think either guy is signing for that, you better be poised to lose both.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I honestly don’t see how NJ can afford resigning him and Meier and have Mercer due next summer.

if both Hughes and Nemec start their ELC will give them some breathing room the next 3 years but after then it could be hard

in 24/25 season it might be $42M for those 6 F, $25M for D and G. That leaves the team around $18M for 8 players. Those next 2 years (26/27 and 27/28) could be difficult.

it will be interesting to see what they do.

How can they not afford them? They have around 48 mil in committed cap next season for 11 players and around 43 million in committed cap the season after for 8 players.

Assuming even very modest cap growth, the only issue may be that it would limit their ability to add guys around them. Palat's and Marino's contracts will be up after 4 more seasons (after the current one). Unless Hughes AND Nemec are massively effective on their ELCs (which is possible, but not an expectation) and they go big money and term for all of Meier, Mercer and Bratt, then they may have a problem in 2026. But in the meantime, you'll have a contending caliber core of 6 forwards, 3 D-men and a goalie locked up long term with cheap blue chip D prospect depth. They likely wouldn't need to spend a whole lot to fill out the roster.

Like, 18 mil for mostly bottom pair D-men, bottom 6 forwards and a 1b goalie isn't an unmanageable amount when looking at other contenders.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

Take Vanecek back for a pick

We are trading our starting goalie for a draft pick. You still want to trade him after he shutout the Canes last night ? Don't sour on the guy for having 2 rough starts prior to last night...

 

[Devilsfan118]

8.5 x 8 for both, call it a day.

You can sell paying them more than Jack by saying the team had to buy UFA years.

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

We are trading our starting goalie for a draft pick. You still want to trade him after he shutout the Canes last night ? Don't sour on the guy for having 2 rough starts prior to last night...

I haven't stated, even while he was playing well, why I don't feel comfortable with him as our starting goaltender. Notably his terrible puck handling and his scrambly style. He can make routine saves look challenging. Schmid is the better goaltender.

 

[PizzaAndPucks]

I haven't stated, even while he was playing well, why I don't feel comfortable with him as our starting goaltender. Notably his terrible puck handling and his scrambly style. He can make routine saves look challenging. Schmid is the better goaltender.

Yeah he was a but scrambly his last few starts but last night he wasn't and was sharp in goal. He's been one of the Devils most consistent players this whole season for the most part. I like Schmid alot too but he hasn't handled a starters workload yet to where I trust him to play most games. He has deff played himself though into stealing the backup role from Blackwood 100%.

 

[Nocashstyle]

I haven't stated, even while he was playing well, why I don't feel comfortable with him as our starting goaltender. Notably his terrible puck handling and his scrambly style. He can make routine saves look challenging. Schmid is the better goaltender.

Who’s playing backup then?

Insane take

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

Who’s playing backup then?

Insane take

I was kidding about sending him back, Vanecek would be the backup. He is fine in that role.

 

[Devil made me do it]

Bratt is untradable. He is basically Hughes lite. You never consider the thought of trading him.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Bratt is untradable. He is basically Hughes lite. You never consider the thought of trading him.

If he doesn’t extend long term this summer, yeah you do.

 

[Eggtimer]

No clue what has been offered by Fitz this time , but it looks like Bratt wants to hit UFA ? Maybe thats not the case but it looks like it. I dont get what Bratt and or his agent thinks he will get as a UFA ? It would have to be a substantial number in order for a team to beat a 8 year offer by NJ. Why would he not want to extend with the team that drafted you and is currently one of the youngest teams in the league with a top prospect pool amd is currently tied for 2nd in the entire league……
I don’t get it .
I woild just come out and ask him if he wants to go to UFA. Offer him a deal amd say this is the highest we can go. Offer different options on length. If he does not agree on any , trase his ass.
No , I dont want to trade him and I can’t see the Devils winnig in a trade , but enough of this horse shit.
Trade him to fill any holes we have after the playoffs .
If Bratt doesmt want to be here and wants an unreasonable comtract, trade his ass.

 

[ChicksDigTheTrap]

You may be right about some of us overrating Meier. I guess part of it could be the fear of losing all of those assets if he doesn’t re-sign with us (which weren’t all that vital to the organization anyway).

I do think it’s important to have someone like Meier who is big and uses his body and can score over another small skilled forward though. He’s already thrown some big hits which is something this team lacked severely.

I just hope we can keep both because a forward core with Hughes, Hischier, Bratt, and Meier locked up would be top tier.

Meier looking overrated so far to me. Must be nice being the Rangers - they are getting production from their trade deadline acquisitions.