peter sullivan
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any comparisons?....for reference?
if that is really Noel's problem, i think that could be fixed much more easily than sitting him for 2 periods.
i think you are reaching....
Post-Game Talk: Jersey Sore | Jets lose 3-2 in SO
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any comparisons?....for reference?
if that is really Noel's problem, i think that could be fixed much more easily than sitting him for 2 periods.
i think you are reaching....
atl thrasher344
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That 1:36 was on a pk. And those two other ones don't require the punishment of giving him only one shift after the first period.
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Obviously Coach thinks so and I agree... There is still hope for this kid to be special he just needs to learn the game properly
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He averaged only 10 seconds more than Kane and 15 seconds more than Wheeler and that is including the 1:36 pk shift helping increase the average and yet why aren't you complaining about them?
Coach isn't always right you know.......
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I actually don't think Mittens is playing badly. I mean he played that 2-on-1 breakout properly. Thank goodness Kaner shot though because Mittens has Mittens of stone. 
But he seems to be following the coach's book and orders like a good soldier. And that's what coaches like. You get a green light to play a bit 'looser' if you are a special talent, like Buff.
But he seems to be following the coach's book and orders like a good soldier. And that's what coaches like. You get a green light to play a bit 'looser' if you are a special talent, like Buff.
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I didn't say anything about those other players so I'm not sure why you'd bring them into the discussion. When I watch Burmistrov though I often see a guy that is freelancing a bit within their team systems play, during play when the other team has the puck for example - he often veers away from his checking lane for no reason, and I also see him make poor decisions with the puck as well on a regular basis.
I see a guy that is playing a bit of an unstructured game within a fairly tightly structured defensive system.
peter sullivan
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can you point me to the page where you got those numbers?
we need some comparisons to justify your argument.
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atl thrasher344
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I don't see how you missed why I brought those other players into it, but I'll spell it out:
Those other guys were just as "bad" or worse than Burmistrov and they weren't punished.
I fail to see why that doesn't make the fact that he only got one shift after the first surprising.
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Missed the first period.
Apparently I did not miss much.
What I did see was pizza paradise, sloppy passing and a poor effort.
3rd was better, though I was scratching my head as to why they picked Kane for the SO.
Wellwood I thought was our SO specialist.
Not a bad road trip, still in the equation so...
Apparently I did not miss much.
What I did see was pizza paradise, sloppy passing and a poor effort.
3rd was better, though I was scratching my head as to why they picked Kane for the SO.
Wellwood I thought was our SO specialist.
Not a bad road trip, still in the equation so...
Tdoe42
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Its not about the Average... its the fact that he had those long shifts in one of our worst periods of hockey
...
He isnt always right but he is running the show and he knows more then all of us combined so yeah...
truck
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With the talent that is on this roster? Pretty much every talking hockey head talks about how crap the roster is. Multiple people in the Winnipeg media went so far as to say we have the worst 3rd and 4th line in the league.
I think the talking heads are crazy, but this is not an easy 1sy place roster, especially hen it gets inconsistent goaltending. The Jets are dressing 3 waiver wire pickups evert night. They aren't a loaded roster. I still think Noel gets a decent amount out of this team. I didn't expect a ton more than .500
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I didn't miss it; I'm just not trying to mitigate his poor play by comparing him to others. His play is what it is and he is obviously not playing the way the team wishes. There are others that are surely not playing to their own standards as well, but none of that excuses Burmistrov's play, which is who we were discussing.
peter sullivan
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on another note...it is pretty amazing that we are above 500 at this point when you consider this:
our bottom 2 lines have scored 4 goals all season.
our bottom 8 forwards have scored 10 goals all season.
our top offensive defenceman has already missed half the season.
our goalie has the worst statistics for a starting goalie in the NHL.
we are 27th in power play.
we are 26th in penalty kill.
we are below 500 at home.
how the heck are we second in the division?!...if we could only change a few of those things we would have a real chance at the playoffs.
our bottom 2 lines have scored 4 goals all season.
our bottom 8 forwards have scored 10 goals all season.
our top offensive defenceman has already missed half the season.
our goalie has the worst statistics for a starting goalie in the NHL.
we are 27th in power play.
we are 26th in penalty kill.
we are below 500 at home.
how the heck are we second in the division?!...if we could only change a few of those things we would have a real chance at the playoffs.
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Wellwood has been benched a few times this season. I would imagine that Jokinen's benching will be happening sooner or later, although I've noticed that even when he's not 100% on his game, Jokinen is generally an asset in his own end.
There may be a bit of a double standard, but I don't think it's as pronounced as some are making it out to be. This was Burmi's worst game of the year IMO, I have no issues with him being sat.
There does seem to be a double standard but you are sometimes the toughest on those you care for the most. I just really hope he is being clearly told why he is being benched and what he needs to improve.
Personally, the nonesense above about a bad attitude has to stop. He has done absolutely everything that has been requested of him by the organization and other than these boards I've only read good things about him.
Personally, the nonesense above about a bad attitude has to stop. He has done absolutely everything that has been requested of him by the organization and other than these boards I've only read good things about him.
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truck
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Great stat grab. The "luck" stats have the Jets about even too.
If they got good goaltending more often and / or fixed the powerplay, tjey would be doing pretty well.
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Hank Chinaski
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How do you figure (the bolded)? Kiprusoff, Halak/Elliott, Theodore, Lindback, Quick, Smith, Nabokov, Hiller and Bryz all have worse save percentages than Pavelec.
The Jets have been pretty respectable this year at 5 on 5. If the special teams could somehow step it up, they might be in playoff position.
Okay with the point and the road trip in general despite the fact that we didn't play all that great in any game except Tampa.
+ Pav's has found his game
+ Defense has been generally solid
- This team lacks forwards that can move the puck crisply out our zone and through the neutral zone. This is leading to us getting hemmed into our own end and to us turning pucks over constantly in the NZ.
Chevy needs to really upgrade our bottom six this offseason and find a way to grab another top 6 player, preferably someone who can move the puck effectively.
I'm not going to weigh in on the Burmistrov debate other than to say that he didn't play all that well, but neither did a bunch of other forwards.
+ Pav's has found his game
+ Defense has been generally solid
- This team lacks forwards that can move the puck crisply out our zone and through the neutral zone. This is leading to us getting hemmed into our own end and to us turning pucks over constantly in the NZ.
Chevy needs to really upgrade our bottom six this offseason and find a way to grab another top 6 player, preferably someone who can move the puck effectively.
I'm not going to weigh in on the Burmistrov debate other than to say that he didn't play all that well, but neither did a bunch of other forwards.
peter sullivan
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thanks...so for reference:
shifts over one minute:
jokinen: 9
kane : 13
ladd: 7
little: 7
wheeler: 7
tangradi: 3 of 6 shifts
the reality is that you cant take one game as a reference...if you can prove that this is a trend, maybe your argument has some validity....if not, it hardly warrants benching him over far inferior players....
even if long shifts is the reason Noel believes he should bench Burmistrov, then I would suggest there are better ways to deal with that issue....as a coach he should figure it out without resorting to that......Burmistrov hardly seems like an egotist who wont listen to his coach.
i get the point of the north south thing, but really, he brings much more to his total game than so many other players on the Jets that it frustrates me that he gets treated so poorly.....as a casual observer, i can think of at least 5 players i would bench ahead of him for being lazy, sloppy, soft.....those seem to be much bigger offences than occasionally giving up the puck in the offensive zone trying too hard.
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Well, he did tie the game with a wicked wrister though. So I guess he was in there by benefit of that.
Wellwood wouldn't have been a bad choice, he's 9/25 lifetime.
Ladd is 4/13.
Wheeler is 14/33.
Kane is 1/7.
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Indeed, did we already forget that Wellwood was benched for several games? Coming off of a career high 47pt season and a raise? All three of the 'baddies' mentioned in this thread managed their shift-time decently.
peter sullivan
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you are right...he has improved lately out of the 'worst' category.....he is around 25th in both sv% and GAA of the top 30 toi goalies in the NHL.....hopefully he has a good run now that he seems to have found some form and his numbers improve even more....as goes pav's so go the jets in my opinion.
still pretty amazing that we could be so low in all those statistics and still be respectable.....if only we could improve on a few of them, we would be a different team.
Hank Chinaski
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I wasn't even referencing the times where he was a healthy scratch, but yes, there are those as well.
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