Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman

[EverettMike]

It 100% is. What are you talking about

f*** off. It's not even remotely what I said. It's not even remotely how I feel. I don't feel badly for millionaires because they're less rich than they could be. Pointing out they're technically underpaid for this specific business doesn't mean I'm shedding tears for them.

I'd still rather them get fans' money than billionaire owners who I would gladly drive to their appointment with a :censored:.

 

[PB37]

I can't remember the last time I've seen a Bruins goaltender get beat short side high in one season as much as Swayman has. It's uncanny. It makes me wonder if he needs contacts, which wouldn't be the first time a professional athlete needed to get their eyes checked to help them back to form ( Wade Boggs ).

 

[Dr Hook]

I can't remember the last time I've seen a Bruins goaltender get beat short side high in one season as much as Swayman has. It's uncanny. It makes me wonder if he needs contacts, which wouldn't be the first time a professional athlete needed to get their eyes checked to help them back to form ( Wade Boggs ).

Korpi was having some vision issues last season . I don't think it's an accident that he's been better this year (though it's hard to tell because the team D is so putrid most nights).

 

[Beyonder]

So what are people attributing his subpar season to at this point?

1. Missing most of camp put him behind and he hasn't rebounded from that

2. The defense/team is (much) worse this season and he doesn't get much support.

3. He's simply regressing and/or has been exposed with the expanded role.

4. He was overrated.

I'm not inclined to buy #1 because there has been plenty of time to catch up. I'm not inclined to go with #4 because that is knee jerk and he looked legit good in the past. There's a bit of #3 IMO. But #2 is probably the biggest factor.

I'm not overreacting to the point of assuming there's no chance he rebounds next season. But it's disappointing for sure.

What do y'all think? And do you expect him to just be back in form next year?

 

[quietbruinfan]

All 4 things: Mostly number3 : exposed. I never have trusted him completely. When he is off, his movement is way off. Bad sign because you almost never see it from top goalies.

 

[goldenblack]

He just needs to get to next year and a reset. This season is cooked.

At this point see a sports shrink in the offseason and get right. Don't go full Jack Campbell on us.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

still cant believe we gave in and gave him 8 mil.
Guy is a complete fraud. Gives up at least 1 bad goal a game. Been like that all season.

 

[JRull86]

So what are people attributing his subpar season to at this point?

1. Missing most of camp put him behind and he hasn't rebounded from that

2. The defense/team is (much) worse this season and he doesn't get much support.

3. He's simply regressing and/or has been exposed with the expanded role.

4. He was overrated.

I'm not inclined to buy #1 because there has been plenty of time to catch up. I'm not inclined to go with #4 because that is knee jerk and he looked legit good in the past. There's a bit of #3 IMO. But #2 is probably the biggest factor.

I'm not overreacting to the point of assuming there's no chance he rebounds next season. But it's disappointing for sure.

What do y'all think? And do you expect him to just be back in form next year?

All 4, but 1 and 2 are my biggest takeaways.

The knack of giving up a softie fairly regularly really needs to leave his game though, it's been killing them this year.

 

[ae530]

This guy should have been offered a 2 year bridge deal to prove to the Bruins that he could play 60 games a season and become a true number one goaltender in the league. If the Bruins held tight and let him wait until November 30th , I believe Swayman would have signed. Now it’s too late and this guy is showing that he can’t be trusted with any heavy lifting and he clearly misses his buddy Ullmark.

 

[Sheppy]

I mean, who would have thought paying $8+M to a goalie who was never a starter was a bad idea?!

 

[Ludwig Fell Down]

All 4, but 1 and 2 are my biggest takeaways.

The knack of giving up a softie fairly regularly really needs to leave his game though, it's been killing them this year.

This. It can't be easy to play defense with the lack of structure, bad coverage, and propensity for turnovers in front of him. Ullmark needed almost a full season to recover from his Buffalo experience and get used to a more structured system. To me, in equal parts: no training camp; increased workload after skipping training camp; and the poor play of the team in front of him.

 

[Sheppy]

This. It can't be easy to play defense with the lack of structure, bad coverage, and propensity for turnovers in front of him. Ullmark needed almost a full season to recover from his Buffalo experience and get used to a more structured system. To me, in equal parts: no training camp; increased workload after skipping training camp; and the poor play of the team in front of him.

While I agree with this, Ullmark was also stopping the puck at a much higher rate despite playing in Buffalo. He was a .912 in his stint with the Sabres.

 

[goldenblack]

still cant believe we gave in and gave him 8 mil.
Guy is a complete fraud. Gives up at least 1 bad goal a game. Been like that all season.

Over 8M when he had no leverage, lol

 

[dredeye]

f*** off. It's not even remotely what I said. It's not even remotely how I feel. I don't feel badly for millionaires because they're less rich than they could be. Pointing out they're technically underpaid for this specific business doesn't mean I'm shedding tears for them.

I'd still rather them get fans' money than billionaire owners who I would gladly drive to their appointment with a :censored:.

I would prefer demand go down so maybe the non millionaires and Billionaires could get a little less while we all keep a touch more.

 

[EverettMike]

I would prefer demand go down so maybe the non millionaires and Billionaires could get a little less while we all keep a touch more.

Yeah I am not exactly capitalism's great defender here (to put it mildly), but pointing out the obvious inequities in the system we do currently have doesn't mean I'm crying for the "plight" of rich athletes.

If someone is going to get rich from the game if hockey, as they are, I'd prefer it be the athletes and not the owners.

 

[Beyonder]

Yeah I am not exactly capitalism's great defender here (to put it mildly), but pointing out the obvious inequities in the system we do currently have doesn't mean I'm crying for the "plight" of rich athletes.

If someone is going to get rich from the game if hockey, as they are, I'd prefer it be the athletes and not the owners.

I do wish that the spread between a max and a minimum contract was less drastic. I don't think it's good that a few guys can make $13M, $14M, whatever that max figure is right now, while other players have to divide up the rest. And of course it hampers teams from managing against the cap with better flexibility. It would not be a bad thing to revisit some of the guardrails on contract structure.

It's easy to say that a GM should not hand a 7 or 8 year deal at the maximum amount to a player that is 28, 29, 30 years old. Essentially paying them for past accomplishments. But the reality is that most players in the position to get huge deals at less than ideal points in their careers still get them. The GMs just can't help themselves.

But as people always say, there is no way the PA is giving up anything they previously won in the CBA unless it involves getting something equally or more valuable in exchange. Probably not putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Yeah I am not exactly capitalism's great defender here (to put it mildly), but pointing out the obvious inequities in the system we do currently have doesn't mean I'm crying for the "plight" of rich athletes.

If someone is going to get rich from the game if hockey, as they are, I'd prefer it be the athletes and not the owners.

Players need to get everything that comes to them regardless what team they play for. The owners do the same.

It’s a business

 

[BMC]

3:25 mark should make everyone very very

What an entitled son of a bitch.

 

[hrdpuk]

Sway was negotiating with a dummy . I blame the dummy

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Whatever happened to his burner account in here the SwayHeyKid?

Posted in here daily defending Swayman to the death and once he signed we haven’t heard a peep.

 

[PlayMakers]

So what are people attributing his subpar season to at this point?

1. Missing most of camp put him behind and he hasn't rebounded from that

2. The defense/team is (much) worse this season and he doesn't get much support.

3. He's simply regressing and/or has been exposed with the expanded role.

4. He was overrated.

I'm not inclined to buy #1 because there has been plenty of time to catch up. I'm not inclined to go with #4 because that is knee jerk and he looked legit good in the past. There's a bit of #3 IMO. But #2 is probably the biggest factor.

I'm not overreacting to the point of assuming there's no chance he rebounds next season. But it's disappointing for sure.

What do y'all think? And do you expect him to just be back in form next year?

I think it's a combination three things; 1) not getting a proper camp, 2) not handling the teammate/fan/media backlash from his very public contract negotiation very well and 3) not handling the weight of being a stand alone starter very well.

That last one is probably the biggest. When he had Linus, if he had a bad game he could take a week off, get his head right, work on things in practice and come back strong but as a guy who's expected to play 60 games, he doesn't have that luxury and he hasn't been able to play his way out of mediocre patches.

 

[PlayMakers]

This. It can't be easy to play defense with the lack of structure, bad coverage, and propensity for turnovers in front of him. Ullmark needed almost a full season to recover from his Buffalo experience and get used to a more structured system. To me, in equal parts: no training camp; increased workload after skipping training camp; and the poor play of the team in front of him.

I think, in recent years, we made the mistake of thinking our defense was better than it was, when really we were just being bailed out by spectacular goaltending.

The Bruins defense this year is actually a bit better in every measurable category, except goaltending.

Shots Allowed/60 (last year vs this year)
30.04 to 28.19

Scoring Chances Against/60
29.12 to 27.36

High Danger Chances Against/60
12.07 to 11.2

Expected Goals Against/60
3.03 to 2.95

Save Percent
91.18 to 89.04

 

[JAD]

So what are people attributing his subpar season to at this point?

1. Missing most of camp put him behind and he hasn't rebounded from that

2. The defense/team is (much) worse this season and he doesn't get much support.

3. He's simply regressing and/or has been exposed with the expanded role.

4. He was overrated.

I'm not inclined to buy #1 because there has been plenty of time to catch up. I'm not inclined to go with #4 because that is knee jerk and he looked legit good in the past. There's a bit of #3 IMO. But #2 is probably the biggest factor.

I'm not overreacting to the point of assuming there's no chance he rebounds next season. But it's disappointing for sure.

What do y'all think? And do you expect him to just be back in form next year?

Ego, entitlement, karma, ... he needed a dose of humility.
Hopefully, he's getting it.

Hopefully, this coming summer he, like the rest of the team, looks in the mirror and rededicates his focus on getting ready for the next season. No distractions.

If he doesn't live up to expectations next season I would entertain trading him at some point before his no movement kicks in.

 

[Rivrfront]

Cam Ward revisited.
Goalies are a fickle group in general. Hot one year cold the next.
Would never sign a goalie to long term extension, because then your stuck with them.
4 years max deals for any goalie.

 

[Stephen]

I feel like Swayman has entered into the “Mitch Marner Zone” of popularity vs contract contention with his team. Really goes to show a player shouldn’t go that hard in public over this and that what they are demanding. It always hurts the relationship and there’s no breathing room when the team struggles.