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What a silly take. This is why Neely put this spin out there. To win support for dumping him for pennies on the dollar.
He's kind of a lose cannon. His snicker about being surprised by how much Swayman wanted was another flub. Jacobs and Sweeney were great.I have no doubt Sweeney at least made an overt and obvious statement in negotiations that they would go to $64m.
Perhaps the technical offers are at 7x8 vs 9x8 and Sweeney said they could meet in the middle or split the difference.
Or Sweeney said they are willing to go up to 8m AAV but did not say anything about term, but they had only been discussing 8 yr term.
Gross is lying here. Neely's statement was deliberate and I am sure discussed with everyone prior to the press conference.
That's not a fair analogy as the 7/1 UFA window is very narrow and they had pressing needs to address before those guys signed elsewhere. They had plenty of time to work the Swayman deal and left more than plenty of cap space open for him....never thinking he'd be looking to more than double his salary.
I have a pretty long history in the business world and just because you want to compare two things that have nothing to do with one another doesn’t mean the other side will listen. I understand how comps work and its been part of my daily job for over 20 years.Or I'd be the greatest sports agent in the history of planet earth.
Another poster said that Sweeney would just dismiss my argument (the Lindholm contract). I don't know what your experience is in business but in my experience, outright ignoring the other parties argument doesn't do much to further negotiations. Typically outright ignorance in a negotiation hardens the party who put forward the argument. A response is at the very least warranted, even if its not what the other party wants to hear. I'd love to hear Sweeney explain why he decided to pay an aging and declining player from outside the organization roughly the same as he's willing to pay Swayman who is younger and entering, not exiting, his prime. Contracts signed by Sweeney are fair game, doesn't matter who the player is or what position they play. In particular contracts recently signed. I don't really understand why that is so hard to comprehend.
Once again, if you want to believe this negotiation is simply a battle of goalie comparables, then go right ahead. I'm not that naive.
They could sign the 8/64 to save face I am guessing?Walk me through how the other side lying makes sense. I don't mean rehash why it doesn't make sense for the Bruins to lie. I mean what does Gross or Swayman have to gain through the lie.
I do not know the answer but what did Dallas give Oettinger? That is the rare one I'd replace Swayman with no hesitation.
We know nothing about specific contract talks, but we should all know business negotiations can be ruthless (as we've seen today now from both sides), there are no rules in this, and if all this negotiation was a battle of goalie comparables like two posters going at each other on HF Boards, why has this taken so long to resolve? I mean seriously, there are only 60-odd goalies in the league and only I'd say 10-15 are realistic comparables. How long does it take for both sides to exhaust their list of comparables if all they can point to are goaltenders? They could of hashed this out in a week if that was the case.
Bottom line is Sweeney sent a message to the Swayman camp back in July when he decided to prioritize the Lindholm and Zadorov contracts and leaving what was left over for Swayman. The message was sent, we value these players from outside the organization more than you. That will ultimately prove to be a major mistake and flies in the face of pro sports management 101. Take care of your stars and the rest will fall into place. Prioritize mid-tier players over your stars and this will be the sort of circus you can expect. Right out of the Harry Sinden/Mike O'Connell playbook.
It's like when in the fall of 2020, they extended Kevan Miller and Chara was still unsigned. We knew right away that was odd, that they took care of Miller before Chara. And that is exactly how it played out.
The hockey world is laughing at the Bruins right now because it's clear as day now how this all ends. Some other organization will get themselves arguably the best young goalie on the planet for a nickel and two quarters.
Imagine the egg on Sweeney's face in April when he trades Swayman within the Eastern conference and both Swayman and Ullmark are leading their teams into the playoffs while the Bruins are going golfing.
The amount of people who think Gross would risk his Agents license and therefore his entire career by intentionally not disclosing a contract to swayman is insane.
Fandom is a hell of a drug.
These days? With the state journalism is in? They probably let go all their copy editors several years ago.I’m just referring to the subheading in the article. It says “Swayman’s agent refutes the offer”. That’s incorrect. Swayman’s agent “disputes” it, not “refutes” it. I’m criticizing the writing. One would think that a newspaper editor, or copy-editor, would know how to use “refutes” correctly. But, alas, no.
The amount of people who think Gross would risk his Agents license and therefore his entire career by intentionally not disclosing a contract to swayman is insane.
Fandom is a hell of a drug.
Yes, I know. I’m just irritated because I’m increasing seeing it everywhere. Yes, I know, language changes over time. Doesn’t mean I have to like it .These days? With the state journalism is in? They probably let go all their copy editors several years ago.
Was this whole thing Neelys way of letting Sway know what they’ve offered in the event it hasn’t gotten back to him through his agent?
I guess we’ll find out if the next piece of news is Sway fired Gross
That's why I don't think either guy is "lying". Someone is playing a semantic or numbers game.Isn’t Neely risking his job too by leaking that deal though?
If he’s lying he should be fired now
If Swayman and his agent are content with a 64 million dollar deal aren’t the Bruins kind of locked into it now even if Neely was lying ( don’t think he was ) ? Why not just stop all this nonsense and sign tomorrow?Isn’t Neely risking his job too by leaking that deal though?
If he’s lying he should be fired now
Hmm an above average centerman and a third pair D was I'm sure on top of their list before getting Sway signed. Thankfully that didn't sign any of those guys you mentioned.It is fair, they had piles of time to get Swayman's next deal figured out before July 1st. Literally months of time.
You said it yourself, they had pressing needs to address. Well that is in the eye of the beholder isn't it? This front office felt priortizing an above-average two-way centerman and journeyman 3rd pair physical D-man was more important than their supposed now and future No.1 goaltender.
Sweeney is well aware of where the salary cap is headed, if he didn't think Swayman coming in with a big ask, that's on him.
The question none of us know, even with a drastically escalating salary cap, do the Bruins still intend to spend to the cap?