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At some point you'll have to come to the conclusion that Gross is a piece of shit ...I mean what would Gross have in hand from Boston to "refute" evidence wise? Tapes?
At some point you'll have to come to the conclusion that Gross is a piece of shit ...I mean what would Gross have in hand from Boston to "refute" evidence wise? Tapes?
I’m just referring to the subheading in the article. It says “Swayman’s agent refutes the offer”. That’s incorrect. Swayman’s agent “disputes” it, not “refutes” it. I’m criticizing the writing. One would think that a newspaper editor, or copy-editor, would know how to use “refutes” correctly. But, alas, no.I mean what would Gross have in hand from Boston to "refute" evidence wise? Tapes?
That's not a fair analogy as the 7/1 UFA window is very narrow and they had pressing needs to address before those guys signed elsewhere. They had plenty of time to work the Swayman deal and left more than plenty of cap space open for him....never thinking he'd be looking to more than double his salary.Bottom line is Sweeney sent a message to the Swayman camp back in July when he decided to prioritize the Lindholm and Zadorov contracts and leaving what was left over for Swayman. The message was sent, we value these players from outside the organization more than you.
This, if true, would not only confirm the Bruins were operating in good faith but it would literally destroy GrossSurely if there was a real offer, there is documentation somewhere of the offer being given.
If the bruins are adamant they offered it they should put Gross on blast and show their evidence.
If Neely really wanted to hurt Swayman, he’d show up to his house in Alaska, pop in a tape of the 2024 playoffs, fast-forward through the first 12 games and 57-ish minutes of the final game, play the last goal the Panthers scored on him and mumble “thanks, Jeremy” without even looking at him, then leave unannounced.Ok heres what scares me now:
Neely, having just conceded and approved going to 8, drops that out of frustration in the conference and Sway’s camp truly hasn’t heard that number yet
That, if true, is Cam directly hurting Swayman out of emotion - which we know he has lots of
I’m currently higher than the moon but someone walk me back off this branch
Of course, if it can’t back them up timing wise….This, if true, would not only confirm the Bruins were operating in good faith but it would literally destroy Gross
While true and agree about the goal being Swayman's prime, relenting and overpayment doesn't help either. The roster needs to be as strong as possible and a $9 million goalie who started more than 40 games once and more than 45 never is a tough sell.I don't really care about asset management. I'm fine after 5 years letting him walk at age 30 if that is what is comes down to. All I want is for the Bruins to get him for his prime years (25-30). Maximize the Pasta/McAvoy/Swayman window. To do that they have to get him under contract. That's the bottom line. Losing the player, that's a loss for the Bruins and a win for Swayman because he'll get his money either way.
I believe Gross not bringing an offer to a client would open him up to a lawsuit.Literally the only scenario that makes sense is Gross not telling Swayman about the offer.
What benefit would Neely have by lying about it.
Could be, don't personally know him.At some point you'll have to come to the conclusion that Gross is a piece of shit ...
"Today the Boston Bruins have decided to part ways with Mitchell Miller, effective immediately.Honest to a fault? Did you forget the Mitchell miller saga that was riddled with lies from the bruins front office?
I won’t trust either side until a contract is officially signed.
Its funny you put #TuukkasFault because I was just thinking that goalies seem to be such a lightning rod with Bruins fans. I mean if part of the fan base doesn't hate you are you really a #1 goalie for the Bruins?
And he would lose his license to represent players as well.This, if true, would not only confirm the Bruins were operating in good faith but it would literally destroy Gross
Or are posters on this board.This feels like two sides waging a semantics fight. Almost like they’re married for 20 years
You would be laughed out of every negotiation in history trying to bring that crap in.
Maybe not literally....This, if true, would not only confirm the Bruins were operating in good faith but it would literally destroy Gross
"This was the first time that number was discussed" hardly leaves room for gray.
None of what's gone down today makes any sense if they are just down to hammering out those kinds of details in the deal.How is it structured as far as actual dollars per year?
Is their lockout protection?
Is their trade protection? Specifically what kind and how long?
The aav and years are the most important thing, but even agreeing on those would make one want to see all of the other things on paper and not just say "Sure we'll accept that anyway you feel like structuring it!!"
I have no doubt Sweeney at least made an overt and obvious statement in negotiations that they would go to $64m.
Perhaps the technical offers are at 7x8 vs 9x8 and Sweeney said they could meet in the middle or split the difference.
Or Sweeney said they are willing to go up to 8m AAV but did not say anything about term, but they had only been discussing 8 yr term.
Gross is lying here. Neely's statement was deliberate and I am sure discussed with everyone prior to the press conference.
We know nothing about specific contract talks, but we should all know business negotiations can be ruthless (as we've seen today now from both sides), there are no rules in this, and if all this negotiation was a battle of goalie comparables like two posters going at each other on HF Boards, why has this taken so long to resolve? I mean seriously, there are only 60-odd goalies in the league and only I'd say 10-15 are realistic comparables. How long does it take for both sides to exhaust their list of comparables if all they can point to are goaltenders? They could of hashed this out in a week if that was the case.
Bottom line is Sweeney sent a message to the Swayman camp back in July when he decided to prioritize the Lindholm and Zadorov contracts and leaving what was left over for Swayman. The message was sent, we value these players from outside the organization more than you. That will ultimately prove to be a major mistake and flies in the face of pro sports management 101. Take care of your stars and the rest will fall into place. Prioritize mid-tier players over your stars and this will be the sort of circus you can expect. Right out of the Harry Sinden/Mike O'Connell playbook.
It's like when in the fall of 2020, they extended Kevan Miller and Chara was still unsigned. We knew right away that was odd, that they took care of Miller before Chara. And that is exactly how it played out.
The hockey world is laughing at the Bruins right now because it's clear as day now how this all ends. Some other organization will get themselves arguably the best young goalie on the planet for a nickel and two quarters.
Imagine the egg on Sweeney's face in April when he trades Swayman within the Eastern conference and both Swayman and Ullmark are leading their teams into the playoffs while the Bruins are going golfing.
Walk me through how the other side lying makes sense. I don't mean rehash why it doesn't make sense for the Bruins to lie. I mean what does Gross or Swayman have to gain through the lie.Put even simpler guys, imagine Sweeney pushing this into holdout territory where 8x8 wasn't on the table. It's dumb.
The other end of the lie makes WAY more sense.