Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

This hasn’t been about Swayman for awhile now.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

But isn't the adjusted cap hit more than they accrue?

Nope. As long as we're talking about an AAV of exactly $8M (Swayman gets paid an actual amount of $64M over 8 years) which would apply to the year 2+ caps, AND the Bruins keep an average daily cap space amount >$8M until the signing, then the amount they accrue in cap space will be able to cover the adjusted/pro-rated year 1 cap hit of his contract.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Agent Marty Walsh: "The pen is ALWAYS in the players' hand. THEY control when the contract is signed."

This was a really good listen/watch.

Not a big Allan Walsh guy, but he gives a lot of really good insight here:

- Gives a really good story on how the Martin Havlat contract dispute with the Sens went back in 2003. Havlat was prepared to not play at all that year and was about to fly back to Prague to skate/train right as the season was starting, until the Sens came to an agreeable compromise with him, by adding some attainable performance bonuses to his contract that would have given Havlat the number he wanted. Unfortunately not an avenue the Bruins can use with Swayman here.
- He touches on the goalie market a little, and how he believes it was/has been suppressed by the low money that Brodeur was taking years back
- Talks about his experience with very heated contract negotiations like this one, and how both sides eventually get over it.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

If you can't trust him over the regular season, you shouldn't trust him for the PO's. But, you do you, but you seem to be in the minority with your take. I can live with that.

I love the player, have since Maine. He'll most likely be worth 10-12 in 3-4 years, but that still is an assumption. The fact that he did go into a slump post AS Game for 6 weeks, shows it can happen. We had Linus to bail him out and get his game together down the stretch. It was during that time that he got "Michigan'd over the shortside stickside. Same side he let his worst go of the PO in, which just happened to end Boston's season.
It is not impossible that the more the league sees him, the more they figure him out. That's why goalies are great for 2 or 3 year and then slowly make their way back to the AHL or overseas.
Do I expect it?, no, not really, but an 8 year, top dollar contract, leaves a team no escape hatch in the event it happen

He is going to sign for probably $8-8.25. They just had to poison the well two years in a row and treat him like the negotiations were like buying a house or car, instead if a pillar of your team and you justify it.

You do you though.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Pillar............LOL We'll see if he even plays. God the pitchforks will come out when he has a bad game........This "IS" Boston, fair or not. If he is this thin skinned, the media will eat him alive.

And sports contract negotiations ARE usually somewhat contentious, this one just happened to be played out in the media. It's his crying about the arbitration that has me shaking my head. If he is so tough and mature, he should understand what the process is about. His agent had a critical fail by not telling what to expect and why. This guy just held his hand and said we going to be really rich.
All arbitration hearings go that way. It's the point, a contract couldn't be decided 1 on 1 so a 3rd party, who is not a fan of either needs each sides argument. Forgive my man-splaining, but Swayman should have known what was coming. He's a child in a mans body.

 

[PlayMakers]

Till the next midpoint?

Fair point, this isn’t a “meet in the middle“ negotiation. It’s more like a “you hurt me I’m going to hurt you “ negotiation

Nope. As long as we're talking about an AAV of exactly $8M (Swayman gets paid an actual amount of $64M over 8 years) which would apply to the year 2+ caps, AND the Bruins keep an average daily cap space amount >$8M until the signing, then the amount they accrue in cap space will be able to cover the adjusted/pro-rated year 1 cap hit of his contract.

Please show your work.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Nope. As long as we're talking about an AAV of exactly $8M (Swayman gets paid an actual amount of $64M over 8 years) which would apply to the year 2+ caps, AND the Bruins keep an average daily cap space amount >$8M until the signing, then the amount they accrue in cap space will be able to cover the adjusted/pro-rated year 1 cap hit of his contract.

This is not true. While they accumulate space it’s less than the amount the number goes up as the days go on.

 

[EverettMike]

It's interesting, maybe even telling, a lot of pro-management/anti-Swayman posters use the word "cry" when talking about his feelings over arbitration.

Considering how he played after the fact, and how matter-of-factly he has talked about it publicly, he was not upset as in "cry" but instead was upset as in "angry."

I like when athletes get angry. It can motivate them for a lot of the reasons already discussed in here. But I understand why using words like "crying" and "baby" would seemingly strengthen an anti-Swayman POV.

 

[Dicky113]

Swayman who? This bussi cat is freaking huge and moves well, reminds me of vasy!!!

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It's interesting, maybe even telling, a lot of pro-management/anti-Swayman posters use the word "cry" when talking about his feelings over arbitration.

Considering how he played after the fact, and how matter-of-factly he has talked about it publicly, he was not upset as in "cry" but instead was upset as in "angry."

I like when athletes get angry. It can motivate them for a lot of the reasons already discussed in here. But I understand why using words like "crying" and "baby" would seemingly strengthen an anti-Swayman POV.

Talking about it once or twice? Ok angry.

Talking about it over and over like he has and telling everyone he keeps a burn book? That’s crying.

 

[EverettMike]

Talking about it once or twice? Ok angry.

Talking about it over and over like he has and telling everyone he keeps a burn book? That’s crying.

You don't know anyone who carries grudges and just can't seem to let them go?

You must not be a fellow Italian.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You don't know anyone who carries grudges and just can't seem to let them go?

You must not be a fellow Italian.

I know plenty of people who do. I carry several myself. No one else seems to talk about them like this though

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

You don't know anyone who carries grudges and just can't seem to let them go?

You must not be a fellow Italian.

My Sicilian wife said he needs to stop whining.

 

[badbrewin]

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

Please show your work.

Assume the season starts Oct 7 with 192 days remaining.
On Dec 1st, 55 days have passed (137 days remaining).
If the Bruins keep an average daily cap space of exactly $8,000,000 over those 55 days, they would have an accrued cap space amount of $8,000,000 x (192/137) = $11,211,679 on Dec 1st.

 

[What The Puck]

You don't know anyone who carries grudges and just can't seem to let them go?

You don't think this has gone over and above what is normal? Trade him now. This is a very, very bad train to be on.

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Burn Book Babies, sounds like a great name for a band

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

This is not true. While they accumulate space it’s less than the amount the number goes up as the days go on.

Don't think so. I'll own it if I'm wrong, but it should change by the same amount.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Don't think so. I'll own it if I'm wrong, but it should change by the same amount.

It doesn’t though. Dom did the work a few days ago. The proration of his deal goes up faster than the cap space banked (and you do need to account for a goalie making $775k replacing Swayman as well)

 

[PB37]

It's interesting, maybe even telling, a lot of pro-management/anti-Swayman posters use the word "cry" when talking about his feelings over arbitration.

Considering how he played after the fact, and how matter-of-factly he has talked about it publicly, he was not upset as in "cry" but instead was upset as in "angry."

I like when athletes get angry. It can motivate them for a lot of the reasons already discussed in here. But I understand why using words like "crying" and "baby" would seemingly strengthen an anti-Swayman POV.

Crying. Whining. Angry. Call it what you want. It doesn't help his public image when he talks about it every time someone puts a mic in front of him.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

Assume the season starts Oct 7 with 192 days remaining.
On Dec 1st, 55 days have passed (137 days remaining).
If the Bruins keep an average daily cap space of exactly $8,000,000 over those 55 days, they would have an accrued cap space amount of $8,000,000 x (192/137) = $11,211,679 on Dec 1st.

Let him sit it out.

 

[Beesfan]

I'm starting to wonder if this cap space isn't better spent on a forward. We can take a high priced player back in trade, either directly or in there way deal. Is there a high priced, high impact forward under 30 that might be available?

 

[lopey]

I think everyone is entitled to an opinion and no one is wrong because if you ask someone their opinion and it is truly what they believe, then they are correct because that is their opinion.

Also, in one way or another, fans are paying money, in some cases big money, so they can express their feelings any way they wish. My suggestion: if you don't agree with what they are saying, respectfully disagree and move along. No one is changing someone else's opinion.

But honestly, I can't believe how far this discussion has gone. I respect the passion, but if this is all that worries anyone in life, I want to switch spots. I am a very patient person. Nothing I can say or do is going to change how this negotiation ends. I will wait until it does and then break it all down. I've learned a lot these last couple of months. Even at 63, I am still learning. But I'm not gonna waste my time on a chat board pounding the table trying to convince anyone to accept my opinion.

Life is too short.

You asked.

100% When i was younger i hated when people disagreed with me. Age gives you wisdom. And a whole lot of aches and pains. Lol

 

[EverettMike]

Crying. Whining. Angry. Call it what you want. It doesn't help his public image when he talks about it every time someone puts a mic in front of him.

I just explained why I think those terms have very different connotations, so no need to addresses that again.

But am I crazy or has he only brought up arbitration maybe four times total? Genuinely asking, because I can remember three for sure but have a vague memory of a fourth, yet I am very cognizant I might have missed some or simple don't remember others.

Four is still kind of a lot considering this is rarely a thing players talk about. (Though that may be because most teams do everything they can to avoid taking good players to arbitration so there are fewer opportunities to upset them.) I just don't care because it clearly motivated him to play well on the ice, which I do care about.

I don't fault anyone for being annoyed by it, I honestly don't. But there are a lot of people in here who are way way way more than "annoyed." There's real vitriol, some of which I find unhinged.

 

[JOKER 192]

Carey price
0 games
$10.5 per year

Swayman
44 games
Insulted by 4 years $6.5

Sorry I just wanted to continue the stupid comparisons

Well you nailed the stupid part.