Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[GordonHowe]

Genuine question. Where do you think that the “deal is going to be done within 24 hours” rumor from 2-3 weeks ago came from.

The one where Ty anderson, WEEI, dom, and multiple other sources said was coming.

Do you think all those peoples sources just made that up and started spreading it?

Or do you think an internal bruins source thought they had a deal done and started leaking too early to pressure swayman into signing.

Just saying Swaymans camp is 100% leaking to the media, but at the same time the bruins are too.

About a month ago, I posted a podcast posted on either Bruins Beat or Poke The Bear hosted by Connor Ryan and featuring Ty Anderson.

Both agreed that Bruins management and personnel habitually "misdirect on purpose," hence premature reports that a deal was imminent.

Two sides play chess.

Or checkers.

 

[nORRis8]

I haven’t seen one legit source that say the offer is under 8X8 right now.

Or this from this past week.
They said " It's been reported....yada yada 8.5...yada yada Bruins 7.8...."
Zero evidence given to substantiate. Zippo.
But they sure talked up a storm about it.

 

[LiseL]

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My response was to one specific poster. Clearly more goalies have won cups since the hard cap sub, 9 million. Counting Vasi, are goalies making $9M or more batting 1.0, ha!!!. Look in another post I said I would go as high as $8.5M but preferably $8M.

OK. I misunderstood, thought you were saying the cup win was because he was a $10M goalie. Sorry, my bad.

 

[Mathews28]

Funny he had the best playoff round since Rask in 2013. Big time fetal position. Why don’t you try to make actual points instead of your hard guy “fetal position” baby stuff

That round…you know…the one…could be sign of future great rounds or could be an anomaly. Which is kind the point here.

Sway trying to capitalize on a small sample size and Ullmark’s exit.

Bruins trying to be cautious and not screw the team long term with a short sighted deal for a goalie not yet proven to be “the guy”.

I know you’re a Swayman fan but there’s two sides to this.

 

[Mainehockey33]

View attachment 912535Or this from this past week.
They said " It's been reported....yada yada 8.5...yada yada Bruins 7.8...."
Zero evidence given to substantiate. Zippo.
But they sure talked up a storm about it.

Pretty widely reported the Bruins didn’t start negotiations at $8M.

 

[Gordoff]

Considering the bigger sample size, this particular Agent is a questionable character and very willing to test the limits of what will earn his clients their demand.

Hard to see him as a victim.

Yeah, I saw a Cheetah tear apart a rabbit online and I felt bad for that poor Cheetah, he got all this fur stuck between his teeth. Must've been uncomfortable.

 

[DiggityDog]

Best thing to do right now is not panic

I believe that ship has sailed, returned from its voyage, and set sail again.

 

[Gordoff]

The risk Swayman takes is that over the life of 8 years, if he performs equal to higher paid goalies like Shesterkin's anticipated new deal, or much better than Sorokin or Saros he will be underpaid, and by quite a bit - both sides are at risk. That's why Swayman signing for $8M guarantees security by taking less, but the Bruins signing for $8M now could result in a bargain somewhere down the line.

He still ends up a very wealthy athlete, the poor bastard.

 

[DominicT]

Genuine question. Where do you think that the “deal is going to be done within 24 hours” rumor from 2-3 weeks ago came from.

The one where Ty anderson, WEEI, dom, and multiple other sources said was coming.

Do you think all those peoples sources just made that up and started spreading it?

Or do you think an internal bruins source thought they had a deal done and started leaking too early to pressure swayman into signing.

Just saying Swaymans camp is 100% leaking to the media, but at the same time the bruins are too.

I don't know about anyone else, but I made it clear at the time it came from a different agent who represents another Bruins player who said he "expects it tonight or tomorrow".

 

[LiseL]

Those are two different things. Gross is gross, but he is an agent and it is expected. I do not expect a professional athlete whining to the public about a team disagreeing how much he should get paid.

Swayman is playing the victim to get public sympathy and it worked on a few people like yourself.

Even regarding this agent, I don't think any other agent/agent group has had so many RFA negotiation conflicts that end up going public (that I'm aware of). Is it a coincidence that he only has a few high profile clients (Gaudreault, NylandIer, Krug, now Swayman), and all of their RFA negotiations become public knowledge due to some irregularities? Even when RFA Shane Pinto was negotiating a contract his summer, another Gross client, rumours of offer sheets started swirling around. He has a reputation, that's for sure.

 

[LiseL]

I have asked several times did Nylander fire Gross? Has anyone fired Gross?
If not, why is anyone blaming Gross?

No, he's still his agent. When Nylander's contract dispute in 2018 still hadn't been resolved by late November, according to Nylander's statement, he said he wished he had been involved earlier in the negotiation. He dealt directly with Dubas and they signed the deal on Nov 30th I believe. However, he never fired his agent. Were those comments just spin to save face by basically blaming it on his agent?

We'll never know but I suspect yes because: a} he never fired him, and b) when it came time to negotiate his UFA contract, his agent got him exactly what he wanted ($92M) because according to sources, he told TML GM, it's $92M or he goes to market. GM caved and accepted and that was that.

I'm not a Leafs fan, but according to those that post, he's still pretty popular even after the latest contract because he produces in the regular season and is one of few top 4 who produces in the playoffs. But if his play drops off, watch out.

 

[LiseL]

Contentious negotiations will be remembered by Boston fans especially if you don't live up to them

I think that's true for all fans, even when the negotiations aren't contentious. If you get paid, you'd better be worth it.

 

[Gordoff]

Sounds like another team's problem, we'll have our guy for 8 years

What goes around comes around. It all circles back. He won't be the last RFA to hold them up, especially if he gets his way.

 

[NDiesel]

What goes around comes around. It all circles back. He won't be the last RFA to hold them up, especially if he gets his way.

Potentially - definitely seemed to be the case in Toronto

 

[RI.B FAN]

I don't know about anyone else, but I made it clear at the time it came from a different agent who represents another Bruins player who said he "expects it tonight or tomorrow".

Thanks Dom, I can now sleep easy

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I don't know about anyone else, but I made it clear at the time it came from a different agent who represents another Bruins player who said he "expects it tonight or tomorrow".

Swayman should fire Gross and hire that agent

 

[The Un4casted Storm]

No, he's still his agent. When Nylander's contract dispute in 2018 still hadn't been resolved by late November, according to Nylander's statement, he said he wished he had been involved earlier in the negotiation. He dealt directly with Dubas and they signed the deal on Nov 30th I believe. However, he never fired his agent. Were those comments just spin to save face by basically blaming it on his agent?

We'll never know but I suspect yes because: a} he never fired him, and b) when it came time to negotiate his UFA contract, his agent got him exactly what he wanted ($92M) because according to sources, he told TML GM, it's $92M or he goes to market. GM caved and accepted and that was that.

I'm not a Leafs fan, but according to those that post, he's still pretty popular even after the latest contract because he produces in the regular season and is one of few top 4 who produces in the playoffs. But if his play drops off, watch out.

I remember Nylander taking a lot of heat after the holdout, especially given the miserable start he had after coming back. The best thing that happened to him reputation-wise was that a few months later Mitch Marner went through his own very public and very bitter negotiation which destroyed his hometown hero image and firmly moved the whipping boy target from Nylander to Marner where it's remained pretty much ever since. I think as long as Marner remains a Leaf, Nylander will largely be safe from fan ire as long as his play doesn't completely fall off a cliff. If Marner leaves after this season, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Leaf fans turn on him if he doesn't live up to that contract (huge overpay imo).

 

[Mathews28]

Thanks Dom, I can now sleep easy

Ahh cmon you’ll sleep fine regardless. This and pro sports in general is entertainment for most of us. These guys aren’t our role models, friends, family… paychecks don’t depend on them.

Get a good nights sleep and worry about important stuff tomorrow like what time does recycling close, do I need 1/2 ‘n 1/2 and eggs, does this shirt make me look jacked….sh*t that matters.

 

[LiseL]

Sure a team could pay him what he wants now IF they have the cap space or are willing to dismantle their team this year. It wouldn't be the following years that are the problem so much.

The Bruins could pay him IF they wanted to be cap strapped and have to dismantle their team This year. The following years they have time to move things around plus kids have another year of experience. Timing is everything.

How would you feel if they moved McAvoy to make the room? They might figure the defense is deep enough to absorb the loss and they might get some cap space and acquire a defensive replacement and winger ce ter in the deal.

And just because I said they could, doesn't mean they should. I know I wouldn't, other then I feel he needs to prove himself over time, it sets a bad precedence for futures negotiations with other players both FAs and UFAs.

Your last statement hit it on the head for me, Swayman doesn't want to ruin the RFA goalie market, Bruins don't want to reset the RFA goalie market.

For me, it's just so odd that in the same year, 2 goalies (Shesterkin, Swayman) want to influence the price of goalies. It is evident that they both feel goalies aren't getting their fair share. But so far in the cap world, most GMs have shown they value top end forwards and D more. Even after Price, Vasi and Bob got their deals, it didn't change the goalie market all that much. Top end F and D still get paid a lot more. I wonder if this one will actually change that, regardless of how it turns out for each goalie, or will they simply be anomolies even if they do end up winning?