Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII- As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

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We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

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[bp14]

Lol these posters so hung up on Neely being a liar kill me. Who cares. Offer is now 64 million. The rest is noise. Take it Sway or leave it. Seems like thats the line bruins are at. Fair offer imo

It’s a fair offer and I think Swayman should take it.

Now if we fast forward a week and he was dealt for a 2nd liner and a pick, do I think our next two years look better, worse, or same?

Worse. Likely decidedly worse.

I think if it’s a true business decision we have to consider that perspective.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

No one. The point is what can Swayman do if it is? If he is starting at $9.5, he's not in the real world of player value. No sense negotiating more. Put the final offer out and he has x amount of time to sign it. Otherwise, we give you permission to seek a trade or sit out.

I would respect your position on that. I don't think he's getting anythng with a 9 either.

 

[Ladyfan]

What I think is something that should be a point of order is the Swayman position.

The Bruins are trying to sign a player at a fair market rate.

Swayman values himself at X then says he’s going to reset the goalie market thereby effectively admitting that he is over valuating himself X+a bump everyone else can slot in.

Why should the bruins pay for that? They have a cup contender right up against the cap trying to win. They are going to have to cut a solid player to pay this extra amount. Let the Sabres Ducks or Utah hockey club do the leagues goalies a solid.

Until I hear Swayman relent on his stated intention of getting everyone else paid. I’m not buying he is negotiating in good faith with a true valuation of himself.

I’d move on if he doesn’t sign 8x8. It’s fair. However, I have more faith in Goalie Bob than Swayman. I’m not sure he will handle the inevitable adversity when it comes based on his statements so far.

Hey, @Vstorm07 ...Welcome to this board.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

You don't think getting the 7th biggest goalie contract in history is a big deal?

No considering in year one of an eight year deal his 8 mil will be 7th or 8th in the league by year 2.

 

[LiseL]

Looks somewhat simple to me. Nylander and Swayman tell or agree to have Gross
go to the mat to try to get 20-25% more than try deserve. They wait until late in the process to "step in" and become White Knights and deflect criticism.

Has any client fired Gross?

He doesn't have a lot of high-profile clients other than Nylander and Gaudreau (RIP), and even though both experienced some hiccups during their RFA contracts, neither fired him. This would seem to backup your hypothesis.

 

[BTO]

No, but thats why both sides have to share the risk.

If he wants more than 8x8, then to me it seems he expects the Bruins to take pretty much all of the risk.

If so, why not just pay him $11M. After all he might be Patrick Roy part deux.

Precisely.

 

[lopey]

Hey, @Vstorm07 ...Welcome to this board.

Im not sure he stsys after this thread lol. Just kidding. Welcome

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I bought the autographed picture from the pro shop.....any offers ?

I would probably try to sell it now, gut feeling is he asks for a trade. Neely went too far. Swayman isn't going to want to play for him.

No, but thats why both sides have to share the risk.

If he wants more than 8x8, then to me it seems he expects the Bruins to take pretty much all of the risk.

If so, why not just pay him $11M. After all he might be Patrick Roy part deux.

another good post.

 

[lopey]

I would probably try to sell it now, gut feeling is he asks for a trade. Neely went too far. Swayman isn't going to want to play for him.

If he leaves because Neely called him out and his agent he is thin skinned. Welcome to the real world Sway. Bad shit happens. Learn to live with it. Maybe business school didn’t teach him that or he skipped class

 

[PB37]

No considering in year one of an eight year deal his 8 mil will be 7th or 8th in the league by year 2.

Who are the goalies coming up for a contract soon?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Who are the goalies coming up for a contract soon?

There are five guys that make more than 8 now and Igor and Oettinger coming up next year. Markstrom and Demko could be extended next year as well before their walk season.

 

[Greek_physique]

We keep forgetting that Sway won the 7th player award...another reason he wants Pasta and McAvoy $$$...they won it too!

 

[SwayHeyKid]

If he leaves because Neely called him out and his agent he is thin skinned. Welcome to the real world Sway. Bad shit happens. Learn to live with it. Maybe business school didn’t teach him that or he skipped class

It could just be he doesn't have any respect for him and why should he after that. You ever have a boss lie to people on what he offered to try to embarrass you into signing a deal that wasn't even offered up until that point?

 

[neelynugs]

the offer sheet compensation is pretty poor. if whatever team signed swayman for say $9.1M,
bruins would only get a 1st/2nd/3rd back. now if it's a team like columbus, it's a risky move for
them since they will probably suck considerably, even with swayman. but it's also a kick in the nuts for
boston who then needs a #1 goalie.

the timing sucks, the whole thing sucks basically. hope they figure it out.

 

[BTO]

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The funniest thing about that whole thing is that $9.5/8 would put him ahead of Bobrovsky and tie him with Vasilevskiy for #2 all time. *That's* who he thinks his comparablse are? Sure, the cap is going up but you're an RFA who's played 132 games bud. Wake the f*** up wouldja!

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

It could just be he doesn't have any respect for him and why should he after that. You ever have a boss lie to people on what he offered to try to embarrass you into signing a deal that wasn't even offered up until that point?

No. A boss never lied to the media about my job salary.

Stop comparing this to the common Joe.

 

[danpantz]

the offer sheet compensation is pretty poor. if whatever team signed swayman for say $9.1M,
bruins would only get a 1st/2nd/3rd back. now if it's a team like columbus, it's a risky move for
them since they will probably suck considerably, even with swayman. but it's also a kick in the nuts for
boston who then needs a #1 goalie.

the timing sucks, the whole thing sucks basically. hope they figure it out.

Depends how many years. The AAV for compensation changes based on length. Any deal longer than 5 years is divided by 5 years. So an 8/8 would be 64/5, so comp would be 12.5 mil which is 4 firsts i think.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

No. A boss never lied to the media about my job salary.

Stop comparing this to the common Joe.

OK, announced in the middle of the office

I find it hard to believe you would be ok with what Neely did in that situation.

 

[Grimey]

Did anyone hear any rumblings about Neely possibly lying? I couldn’t find anything like that posted anywhere in here

 

[Cam Em All]

4 year deal is the answer and has always been the answer....but not for $8M per

at 6.75-7.25

 

[PB37]

There are five guys that make more than 8 now and Igor and Oettinger coming up next year. Markstrom and Demko could be extended next year as well before their walk season.

Igor should and will make more than Sway.

Oettinger might depend on how he bounces back this year. Might be smarter for both sides take a bridge deal. If he ends up making more than 8 after a season of mediocrity, that's on Dallas for rolling the dice.

Demko is an interesting one. He's coming off a Vezina contention year and has taken fair market deals before going into his 4th contract. But hes coming off a major injury and there's still no time table of when hes back.

Sways current offered contract will still leave him somewhere in the top 10 of highest paid goaltenders for awhile. It's a fair deal now and moving forward for the near future.

 

[HustleB]

Myself and @NeelyDan will kidnap Swayman and get him crippled drunk enough to sign a 7 year $7M contract on our way to pick up the @The don godfather as we venture our way across North America looking for ladies of the evening.

We will find Jeff Carter for The Don Godfather as well.

I won't trust it unless the Godfather gets picked up before the shenanigans begin.

 

[LiseL]

I think we will only see movement in this negotiation if Shesterkin is extended before the season starts.

I believe I read somewhere that he doesn't want to deal with the distraction during the regular season so that seems unlikely unless they give him whatever he wants.

 

[DKH]

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Well according to Servelli he would be 4th

And his original ask per Fridge is 2 or 3 on list

Definitely not the guy I thought he was

 

[Guelph Bruin]

at 6.75-7.25

I'd go as high as $7.75 with NO trade protection in any year (then I'd likely trade his ass in year 3 to a basement dweller)