Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - As featured in Episode 3 of Amazon's "FACEOFF: Inside the NHL

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[analyser]

Then no one should keep referring to his 1 playoff round win, after all, he's less important than anyone else

You will not hear me referring to his 1 playoff round win as an negotiating tool, I cannot speak for all others

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

That cap hit isn’t the only consideration in whether or not the Bruins are Cup contenders.

Going with Korpisalo and Bussi (or Patera now I guess) however? That ensures you won’t be sniffing a Cup.

I wish you'd re-phrase that......

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

This is flat out wrong.

The Vezina winner last season was on a team that lost in the first round.

Oilers made the finals with some of the worst goaltending in the league.

Where did you get this one from lol.

They make up things to fit their argument. How many HOF goalies did not play for a cup?

More scrub goalie's won cups I would bet.

 

[NDiesel]

My only hesitation in all of this is when people point to Gibson as comp and I pause, look at how that has worked out for Anaheim and then hesitate once again.

It's a risk even for the most proven goalies. Looking back 5 years how many guys have been a consistently top 10 goalie for each of the past 5 seasons? Maybe just Hellebuyck?

Gibson is probably worst case scenario here, but he's also been on a dogshit team most of the time

Edmonton had volatile goaltending. Not one of the worst. One of the worst got spanked in round one and now plays in Boston

Kuemper may have had one of the worst performances in recent cup memory and still won. We don't have the firepower of the Avalanche though

 

[lopey]

I feel sick. Im agreeing with Felger and Maz on this. Like i ate raw chicken snd now have salmonella

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

You can say that about any contract. That the guy could stink in a few years.

Korpisalo stinks today. And they don’t have a backup with any NHL experience whatsoever. From the catbird seat to a laughingstock at the goaltending position. The rest of the team may be okay (may not be - we’re not sure). But I promise the Bruins have no chance if Korpisalo X Bussi is the result of this nonsense. None.

So I guess the solution is hell with the Cap pay the guys ransom and hope he doesn't blow moving forward in the number one roll.

Bruin have one if not the best group of D man, they can make a trashcan look good.

 

[LSCII]

Why will it be a bargain? because we will have more money to spend if and when the cap goes up? One has nothing to do with the other in my view.

A players worth is a players worth. As far as over paying for defenseman Im ok with that. The goalies don't mind either because it helps them look better than they really are.

I will go on record and predict Korpo will look underpaid this season.

Because the cap goes up making today's high dollar deals less as time goes by? That's the reason you want to lock the player into long term contracts. You pay more initially, but by the end, you're making out because its far less than market value?

 

[Carl Hungus]

Still stuck on comps, are we? I've covered this a bunch here for you already. You can go back and review it again if you feel the need.

Yeah, your firm and factual take that "comps don't matter" was so compelling that I agree - no need to revisit that one *laughing emoji*

 

[LSCII]

I feel sick. Im agreeing with Felger and Maz on this. Like i ate raw chicken snd now have salmonella

That should tell you that you're on the wrong side of the argument, my friend

Yeah, your firm and factual take that "comps don't matter" was so compelling that I agree - no need to revisit that one *laughing emoji*

Who picks the comps?

 

[NDiesel]

Why would swayman be embarrassed by the Bruins saying they offered him 64 million if he wasn’t ever going to accept it anyways? Was embarrassed by the offer being to low?

I do know Sweeney and Cam were embarrassed a few times by Gross leaking stuff to Chiclets about the negotiation though.

Well said....

 

[neelynugs]

Again, how do you know management is dishonest? What proof do you have?

i think his real handle is LewisG, not DavidK

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

Because the cap goes up making today's high dollar deals less as time goes by? That's the reason you want to lock the player into long term contracts. You pay more initially, but by the end, you're making out because its far less than market value?

While I agree with you on this its doesn't normally happen for goaltenders

 

[whatsbruin]

after that stunt? I'm sure he is thinking if he even wants to play with them after their "coordinated effort" to embarrass him.

Also, the offers if true were at 7.5 per up until Neely's lie of 8 which was 2 days ago. So he shouldhave signed for 7.5?

Just hope goalie Bob is consulted and he knows one of the available guys has the goods and he can do his magic to make them repectable.

 

[KrejciMVP]

Neither Am I but the cap and players have limitations. Does that cap hit make the Bruins a cup contending for the next 8 years if that's his ask?

Answer is nobody knows but Im willing to bet the real answer will be no. Never bet on a goalie being nothing better than good to average over an Eight year period.

That's why the Bruins need to flex their RFA rights to safeguard against this potential lemon contract that could be way worse than Backes. This kid seems like a headcase and fans will be all over him if he falters. Never seen a Bruin carry himself like he has this offseason . Don't get taken advantage of by this agent or the media pressure would be their best course of action

 

[LSCII]

That last line is a head slapper.

You're talking about hypocrisy, but before that you say, "If you don't like it, don't read it and don't respond to it."

Well...if you don't like things....then maybe you shouldn't read things...and you shouldn't respond to things. Although, that's all you do.

Otherwise, fine with counter points, yours is just extreme.

But whatever, enjoy your attention...

Thank you, I will enjoy myself because this thread is a howl. So many people suddenly became management shills acting like it's their money. The same people never complained when the front office overspent on a bottom of the roster stiff, but this is the guy that made them draw a line in the sand?

Simple question for you. Is the team better or worse without Swayman?

Yeah, your firm and factual take that "comps don't matter" was so compelling that I agree - no need to revisit that one *laughing emoji*

You didn't answer the question because we both know any comp is biased depending on who picked it, especially when there isn't an arbitrator to decide who was right. So why do that dance when everyone and their brother realizes it's inherently flawed.

 

[Carl Hungus]

You didn't answer the question because we both know any comp is biased depending on who picked it, especially when there isn't an arbitrator to decide who was right. So why do that dance when everyone and their brother realizes it's inherently flawed.

Please dont lump me in with your logic, that's more insulting than calling me a ballwasher

 

[Smitty93]

My only hesitation in all of this is when people point to Gibson as comp and I pause, look at how that has worked out for Anaheim and then hesitate once again.

Gibson and his contract aren't the reason Anaheim's bad

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Edmonton had volatile goaltending. Not one of the worst. One of the worst got spanked in round one and now plays in Boston

 

[PlayMakers]

So what's his max value according to you. 7.75-8? If its 8, then you're saying he overvalues himself 10%. So you're up in arms at 10% overpay?

Liar! If Swayman is asking $9 and they're offering 8 then it's a 12.5% overpay.

(Obviously I don't think you're a liar, I'm just drawing a parallel to Neely's "lie" that 62.4 isn't the same as 64. Draw your own conclusions.)

 

[LSCII]

Please dont lump me in with your logic, that's more insulting than calling me a ballwasher

I never called anyone anything. You claiming that is on you.

And again, you can continue to avoid answering the question all you want, I know exactly why. The truth is what I said and it's obvious to anyone being remotely objective. And I mean that for both sides of the comps. They are worthless.

 

[NeelyDan]

Sway will sign before opening night

 

[LSCII]

You answer the question is a round about way. Swayman can turn out to be just like those guys. 8 years is a longtime

So we will stink wo Swayman is your position.

I don't agree.

I certainly am not speaking for MMB, but I don't think they stink without Swayman. I think the more accurate way to look at is their margin for error without Swayman is smaller, making it harder to win consistently.

Fair?

 

[BMC]

I feel sick. Im agreeing with Felger and Maz on this. Like i ate raw chicken snd now have salmonella

If you think you feel bad, I'm siding with management in this instance.

It's like visiting the Habs board, when this is over I'll need to shower with a high pressure steam hose

 

[Pia8988]

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Skinner had games he played well and played awful. Korpisalo was just flat bad.

 

[Ladyfan]

bruins claim jiri patera off waivers...the swayman replacement!!

seriously, just sign already guy

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