Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - agreed to 8 x 8.25 aav

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

We have numerous deletions and more in here. We know tension and emotions are high.
But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[Gee Wally]

Say the B’s have had enough and want to stick it to him and they rescind their offers, does the player then have any course of action?

Just curious!

Hope someone submits an offer sheet or go play in Russia.
Thats about it I think.

 

[shelbysdad]

He

Rights to Carter Hart 1:1

Hell no

 

[NDiesel]

Took them to two SCF in a row with a Championship. Three years ago was #1 goalie when the won PC so I think majority of Panther fans are ok about it.

How important was Swayman? He was primarily responsible for providing more money for a couple of weeks for bartenders, waiters and waitresses.

Wasn't saying it was a bad choice, was using Bob as an example because he has had a lot of ups and downs during that contract

 

[Bad Hat Harry]

Say the B’s have had enough and want to stick it to him and they rescind their offers, does the player then have any course of action?

Just curious!

He can wine to the press like Cam and say there are $64 million reasons I'd like to play.

 

[PB37]

And your going under the assumption that $64 million was on the table before the press conference which was been refuted by multiple reports.

Again just pointing out the overwhelming hypocrisy

I'm not assuming that. I'm going with what we know is fact - there's a 64 million dollar offer RIGHT NOW. How long it's been there for is anyone's guess and I honesty don't care. What's important is that it's there and still not enough.

 

[Bad Hat Harry]

He

Hell no

He'd be cheap! All that matters

 

[BTO]

But it is on the table. You're assuming ( as most people are ) that what was always on the table. Neely never said that. Whether they bumped up their offer from 7.8 or that's what it's been all along, there's a 64 million dollar offer on the table that they're currently not signing. That's what should be focused on, not these weird gotcha games over fan opinions you like to mire yourself in. Gross and Swayman have been negotiating in the media this entire time - it's only fitting they received their latest contract offer in the media.

Bingo.

 

[dangermike]

Funny how it mattered when Gross was being pinned as the liar, but now that it’s Neely it’s a full pivot to “oh well now whoever lied doesn’t matter silly because it’s the offer now!”

Simply pointing out the hypocrisy

your idea of a lie with it being 200k off (on a 7.8 deal that feels like a really reasonable value to most of us)

rather than sways camp continuously leaking that the bruins were stuck on 6.5 or even worse, "lowballing" them - that feels more disingenuous to me

 

[DKH]

Rights to Carter Hart 1:1

Thinking more like Kent Johnson

Columbus needs G & cap compliance

Gross gets revenge on Donny & gets his guy paid

 

[Sevendust]

What does Sway has in common with Jarvis, Raymond, Seider, Guenther, Faber, Beniers? He is young and wants to paid for his prime years and like those players really hasn't won anything. These players got paid for their future services. Swayman is already one of the better goalies in the league with the potential to become one of the top 5. I don't have a problem to pay him for the value of his prime years. If this means he would be overpaid by 1-2 million in the first years of his contract, so let it be.

 

[BTO]

When Neely said there were $64 million reasons for swayman to be playing right now. He lied. There was not a $64 million offer on the table.

There may be now but at the time there wasn’t.

So when Gross said they have not been presented with such an offer he was telling the truth and people were calling him a liar.

It doesn’t matter what is on the table now. We are talking about what was on the table at the time that resulted in people calling Gross a liar.

Nobody gaf. Sign for 8/8 now (or 8.15/8.25) or f*** off back to Alaska and cry there. Cause we’re this close to being done with you here.

 

[GloveSave1]

Unless there’s some sort of concrete paper trail, I’m not going to be able to “believe” Neely or Gross.

“Sources” are often bias.

So I’m ready to move on from the offer was or was not discussion. Let’s go, let’s go.

 

[Bad Hat Harry]

your idea of a lie with it being 200k off (on a 7.8 deal that feels like a really reasonable value to most of us)

rather than sways camp continuously leaking that the bruins were stuck on 6.5 or even worse, "lowballing" them - that feels more disingenuous to me

EF confirmed that the original offer was $6.5 x 8 or $6.4 x 4.

That's not a lie.

Also if $1.6 million doesn't matter, I envy your bank account.

 

[Sevendust]

EF confirmed that the original offer was $6.5 x 8 or $6.4 x 4.

That's not a lie.

Also if $1.6 million doesn't matter, I envy your bank account.

Sweeney f***ed it up again. The first error was that he didnt go with a two year arbitration award. Then he traded Ullmark before signing Swayman and put himself into corner by doing so. Now managment wants to paint Swayman as the bad guy but in reality put the failure up by themselves.

 

[lopey]

Sweeney f***ed it up again. The first error was that he didnt go with a two year arbitration award. Then he traded Ullmark before signing Swayman and put himself into corner by doing so. Now managment wants to paint Swayman as the bad guy but in reality put the failure up by themselves.

I think sweeney was giving sway a good faith gesture in going one year. I agree on ullmark trade. He needed that leverage

 

[AlpineLager]

Fine moving on from this man child and his a**hole agent at this point.

What terrifies me most is what they get back for him.

 

[Coffee]

how bout now ?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I'm not assuming that. I'm going with what we know is fact - there's a 64 million dollar offer RIGHT NOW. How long it's been there for is anyone's guess and I honesty don't care. What's important is that it's there and still not enough.

It's been there since Monday

I think sweeney was giving sway a good faith gesture in going one year. I agree on ullmark trade. He needed that leverage

Business move. Piss him off with two and you go back to arbitration for one year and he leaves.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

after that stunt? I'm sure he is thinking if he even wants to play with them after their "coordinated effort" to embarrass him.

Also, the offers if true were at 7.5 per up until Neely's lie of 8 which was 2 days ago. So he shouldhave signed for 7.5?

You're just pissed because you might have to change your user name

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Lol ok you’re very cynical person.

ok then they should give him two years now if it wasn't a business move. Sweeney (unlike Neely) isn't an idiot.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

How the hell are they getting a top six winger for a malcontent ego maniac with no resume who is demanding $10M/yr to play a worthless position?

You’re dreaming.

Because he won't get 10. When the reality kicks in that he's going to get traded he will realize that he wants to play hockey and earn money and not sit out on vacation and earn nothing fishing in Alaska. He will get his 7-8 somewhere else and we might get a 50r 6 ish winger. I can see that happening for sure.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

You're just pissed because you might have to change your user name

No chance. I have faith that my favorite teams management aren't a bunch of spiteful morons to get rid of him and realize if they want to be here another 8-10 years they should hitch their wagon on Sway.

I do feel bad for alot of people here that they are going to have to cheer for him though, hope you will all be ok from this horribly traumatic event of an athlete getting an extra few million from a billionaire.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

The trade value for goalies is notoriously low and always has been. This is one of the many reasons why his value is greater to the Bruins than it is to other teams.

Quite possibly, but you also don't get a young franchise goalie to build around every day either. There are some teams that might think they are a goalie away from winning it all like Colorado. Maybe they have a younger prospect who can fill the hole by the winger they trade away to make the cap room for this goalie.

 

[BTO]

No chance. I have faith that my favorite teams management aren't a bunch of spiteful morons to get rid of him and realize if they want to be here another 8-10 years they should hitch their wagon on Sway.

I do feel bad for alot of people here that they are going to have to cheer for him though, hope you will all be ok from this horribly traumatic event of an athlete getting an extra few million from a billionaire.

We’ll get over it. We’re not kids. We’ve gotten over lots of things in our lives. Maybe others should too.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

No chance. I have faith that my favorite teams management aren't a bunch of spiteful morons to get rid of him and realize if they want to be here another 8-10 years they should hitch their wagon on Sway.

I do feel bad for alot of people here that they are going to have to cheer for him though, hope you will all be ok from this horribly traumatic event of an athlete getting an extra few million from a billionaire.

I will be shocked if the Bruins sign him for more than that 8x8. That line has been drawn and I think it only goes down from here not up.