Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - agreed to 8 x 8.25 aav

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

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[LiseL]

how bad did Stuzle get smashed?

Don't know yet, we'll find out tomorrow. Stutzle, Brady and Chabot all left the game with injuries. Hopefully it's minor and they're just being cautious as it's only the pre-season.

But if it’s more than 5 years you divide the total by 5. So you can’t really sheet him for 7 without it costing 4 firsts.

Thx for the clarification, I had forgotten about the 5 year aspect.

 

[PlayMakers]

Did anybody report that 6.2 at 4 years was actually offered or was it the starting point for the 8 year term? Every insider (Lebrun, Dreger) said both sides wanted a long term deal. The only mentions of bridge deals I've seen are those posted here but maybe I missed something.

Chiclets reported $6.2 short term vs $9.5 long term and that the Bruins hadn't returned a call in 3 weeks.

 

[RoccoF14]

Chiclets reported $6.2 short term vs $9.5 long term and that the Bruins hadn't returned a call in 3 weeks.

Seems to me that Neely returned the call yesterday......8 for $64mil.

Sign or sit. Either way, we're moving on.....It's literally that simple, at this point.

 

[Carl Hungus]

i think he signs soon swayman jersey in the mail

 

[LiseL]

No one as reported Swayman for asking for more than 10

My bad. Shesterkin is the one looking at $11 million +, I think Swayman's original ask was $9.5 million.

My main point is that RFA goalies usually don't get offered top 5 money as their resume isn't very long, especially if you've been in a tandem. But if the $64 million offer is to be believed, that is what he would be getting if he accepts it. Isn't that the point of signing RFAs long-term? Team takes the risk of your not playing well the full term but gets cost certainty, player takes a little less for the guaranteed money regardless of their play or health?

I'm a fan of another team but I feel bad for you guys. I truly sympathize and believe no one saw this coming. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly and everyone can move forward with no hard feelings, team and fans alike.

Lots of drama with this contract negotiation, that's for sure.

 

[RoccoF14]

i think he signs soon swayman jersey in the mail

I hope he does too, because its a more than fair offer IMHO. Most of you know my thoughts on paying for goaltending.

The next move I hope he makes is that he shit-cans his agent. Gross overplayed his hand and he got outmaneuvered. All that does is put unnecessary pressure on his client (Swayman). If he puts up a similar performance as last year, for $4.5mil more, people are going to start asking questions....and they won't be directed at Sweeney.

I'll still blame him for trading Ullmark before locking up Swayman, however. That was a colossal f***up. Probably cost them at least $1mi/yr in AAV. Possibly more.

 

[Zalos]

My bad. Shesterkin is the one looking at $11 million +, I think Swayman's original ask was $9.5 million.

My main point is that RFA goalies usually don't get offered top 5 money as their resume isn't very long, especially if you've been in a tandem. But if the $64 million offer is to be believed, that is what he would be getting if he accepts it. Isn't that the point of signing RFAs long-term? Team takes the risk of your not playing well the full term but gets cost certainty, player takes a little less for the guaranteed money regardless of their play or health?

I'm a fan of another team but I feel bad for you guys. I truly sympathize and believe no one saw this coming. Hopefully it gets resolved quickly and everyone can move forward with no hard feelings, team and fans alike.

Lots of drama with this contract negotiation, that's for sure.

Honestly, I don't really get Swayman's side. The guy has yet to be a #1 for a full calendar year and he hasn't won anything. His club traded away his competition and is offering him 8x8. Why is he not on the ice already? Just sounds insane to me.

 

[Jorgolyte]

Honestly, I don't really get Swayman's side. The guy has yet to be a #1 for a full calendar year and he hasn't won anything. His club traded away his competition and is offering him 8x8. Why is he not on the ice already? Just sounds insane to me.

Honest to god, if the B' s hadn't gotten past the Leafs last year he'd be in the 5-6 mil range for a couple years. It's puzzling that most of the fan base are pretty happy with that big contract. I understand the cap is going up and SOME other teams overpay their goalies but I just don't see it with JS. Puzzling

 

[jonu]

To be fair, Rask got a 11% of the cap contract (7M AAV / 64.3M cap) at the same age, with around the same amount of games on record. Rask followed up with a Vezina right after signing that contract and some people still held that contract against him on the back end of the deal, so with the contract talks already converted to a shitshow, Swayman is going to have even more pressure to perform if he is to sign over 9M.


Big contract comes with a big responsibility, here is what Pekka Rinne said about his big payday later in his career: “To me, when I signed that long-term deal, it was a huge burden on me,” Rinne said. “I was so scared if I'm ever going to be worth it. You put a lot of everything on one player, and I wasn't sure if I was ready for that.”

 

[Eddie Munson]

If this continues I see this ending in a trade.

To me, 8x8 is more than fair. The Bruins have operated in good faith with Swayman trading away Ullmark to signal that Swayman is their guy & not taking him to arbitration again. It seems Gross is not operating in good faith and he and Swayman are now trying to inflate their value based on things the Bruins have already conceded. The leaks to Spittin Chiclets and others really seemed to get to Sweeney and Neely. Now Gross refuting what Neely stated about the 64m offer. If Gross has been lying threw statements and leaks, this may be difficult to come back from. Hence why I think this ends in a trade if it continues.

I also found it interesting that Jim Montgomery was asked on 98.5 yesterday about talks of him being extended and stated something along the lines of "extension talks have been had but details should stay between him and the Bruins and not be public."

Again, the Bruins have a way of doing things. They've built a culture since they signed Chara. This whole process from Gross and Swayman is so antithetical to how the Bruins operate.

 

[Dr Quincy]

I'd take a paycheck over sitting at home refusing to work until my salary demands are met, but that's just me, though I'd probably think differently if I were a millionaire in my early 20s lol.


I've successfully negotiated higher salary and more PTO before but I've never gone back on an offer and tried to reset the market for my role. There's a difference between fighting for your worth and what Swayman is doing.

Explain "gone back on an offer".

 

[UncleRico]

Bruins at 8x$7.8 and swaymans camp apparently wants 8x$8.5.

Swayman continues his little petty run a little more due to Neely lying in the press conference about the $64 million offer.

Once Swayman feelings stop being hurt they agree right down the middle at 8x$8.15

 

[DominicT]

Gross had ties as an agent to Spittin Chicklets hosts so I would hope they are getting dirt on Donny lol

He is the agent for one of them.

look it up!

 

[KrejciMVP]

Swayman playing victim at every turn makes me think he'll melt with that big contract and blame others if he struggles. Cut bait at this point instead of having a lemon 60 plus million deal

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Hope he signs soon this team has a chance to be special this season IMO

He is the agent for one of them.

look it up!

Wow. Guess everything they are saying is accurate then.

Swayman playing victim at every turn makes me think he'll melt with that big contract and blame others if he struggles. Cut bait at this point instead of having a lemon 60 plus million deal

He didn’t play victim in the Toronto series he just put them on his back and carried them to victory

 

[KrejciMVP]

Hope he signs soon this team has a chance to be special this season IMO


Wow. Guess everything they are saying is accurate then.


He didn’t play victim in the Toronto series he just put them on his back and carried them to victory

You can hang that victory next to the colts afc banner if you like.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

He is the agent for one of them.

look it up!

From what I can tell it’s not Biz, Whitney, or Yandle. So RA?

 

[BTO]

Was the other ex-player on that Overdrive episode Noodles (Jamie Maclellan)? He's one of the regulars and a former goalie. If yes, then it would seem that not even all former goalies agree with Swayman. If not, then my comment isn't relevant so please ignore.

Yes it was Noodles. He was his usual in the centre, understands both sides, lukewarm self.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

You can hang that victory next to the colts afc banner if you like.

Only titles, but was nice not to choke in rd 1 thanks to Swayman. Should be the beginning of a great career here with alot of success.

 

[BTO]

Bruins at 8x$7.8 and swaymans camp apparently wants 8x$8.5.

Swayman continues his little petty run a little more due to Neely lying in the press conference about the $64 million offer.

Once Swayman feelings stop being hurt they agree right down the middle at 8x$8.15

Yeah, if he grows up. If not and he remains put-out over the Neely thing and won’t sign for 8/8.15/8.25 with us because of it then good riddance. He can sit or he can go somewhere else for 8+. But he sure ain’t getting 9+ from anyone. Switzerland, Anaheim or Boston for 8(+). His call at this point. As I said, I’m fine with any of the 3 at this point.

Looking forward to today’s set of leaks! Not.

 

[DKH]

He is the agent for one of them.

look it up!

lol such a great tidbit

He doesn’t negotiate thru the media though

 

[whatsbruin]

Maybe the Bruins should throw in an emotional support dog to sweeten the pot, to help Mr business school get over the scarring he's suffered

We hired a kid just out of college, software development. He gets his office set up, and he has the stuffed toy of some sort, that he needs to hug once in a while.

 

[whatsbruin]

Was that after his playoff run of 22 games 1.88GA and .940 save%?

And didn't every bad thing that happened to the team turn into his fault afterwards?

Who is this ? Tuukka ?

Shep can you skate

If I remember correctly , and probably not, Wally was a tender. Time to bust him out of retirement. He's rested .

 

[Ladyfan]

Felger and Mazz are making some really level headed points. I'm shocked.

I was shocked as well.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Lol what are “Gen Z vibes”?

Sounds like a coded way to apply ageism, while we’re discussing ethics in the work place.

felger became full hack sometime after the bruins won the cup because he realized his bruins suck shtick didn’t work anymore, once upon a time the guy was a genuine hockey and bruins fan albeit a jaded one, and instead just went full blown Alex Jones with his media personality. Let’s not pretend the dude is some sage now


That said, if I’m swayman I’m signing yesterday 8 for 8

Great post. I guess I shouldn't be shocked that people are complimenting him because he's saying things that fit their narratives but I legit am.