Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman: VII - agreed to 8 x 8.25 aav

[smithformeragent]

One could make the argument that we're beating a dead horse here.

So be it. Discuss, if you so choose. We'll keep all the Swayman talk contained to this thread.

If you have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation, move along.

We will not have this devolve into thread hijacking and flaming of other posters.

@Gee Wally

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But you folks must simply stop taking personal shots at each. Stay to topic.

If not we will be left with no choice other than adding thread bans.

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[Ozzy Osbourne]

If Swayman isn't over his last year ARB experience, he'll never get over this contract experience.
Good lord.

Agreed. I think a trade is the only answer at this point.

 

[PB37]

Lol what are “Gen Z vibes”?

Sounds like a coded way to apply ageism, while we’re discussing ethics in the work place.

felger became full hack sometime after the bruins won the cup because he realized his bruins suck shtick didn’t work anymore, once upon a time the guy was a genuine hockey and bruins fan albeit a jaded one, and instead just went full blown Alex Jones with his media personality. Let’s not pretend the dude is some sage now


That said, if I’m swayman I’m signing yesterday 8 for 8

His words, not mine. He explained that he doesn't like the entitlement without having really earned it.

 

[Boston Bruno]

I was damn good myself.

A basement and street hockey hero.

It's true.

If you lay me sideways in net, none shall pass.

God, I want Swayman gone.

I am not sure if its a majority thought, but this has gone so badly compared to so many other players that I cant help but think its going to cause grief in the locker room.

 

[LiseL]

Id try and get b tkachuk for him.
send him with his boy ullmark.

As a Sens fan, all I can say is

 

[Boston Bruno]

As a Sens fan, all I can say is

how bad did Stuzle get smashed?

 

[LiseL]

or former goalies and card carrying members of their fraternity, like Weekes.

Was the other ex-player on that Overdrive episode Noodles (Jamie Maclellan)? He's one of the regulars and a former goalie. If yes, then it would seem that not even all former goalies agree with Swayman. If not, then my comment isn't relevant so please ignore.

 

[Troublesome 85]

Sway for Brady Linus and a 2nd

 

[BradPark22]

I wonder how many people wouldn't fight for worth in their negotiations. But that's just being greedy

One needs to be realistic in their worth when negotiating, Swayman is not.

 

[goldenblack]

leverage, Sway ain't got none

na na na na na na

 

[LiseL]

I don't think that's true. Another team can send an offer sheet to Swayman - but it would have to be a team prepared to pony up and the Bruins would probably be compensated more than they would on the trade market for him IMO.

If the offer is between $6.87 to $9.16 million, it's a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. If it's over $9.16, it's two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. It has to be a team's own picks so some teams wouldn't be in a position to do it. The only teams I could see doing this would be a rebuilding team that has a lot of cap space and prospects already in the pipeline. Also, Swayman would have to sign the offer sheet. If he's open to playing anywhere, then I guess a team like Anaheim, Chicago, Columbus or Calgary could be an option.

 

[LiseL]

I think that this is what the Bruins' brass wants the narrative to be.

However, by locking in at 8 years for that cap hit, Swayman likely leaves millions on the table during his prime years.

If I'm Swayman, give me the $8m per, but times 2 years and I want another bite at the apple when I can lock in at $10m AAV.

If I'm the club, I say the $8m per is only good if you go long term. If you want 2 years instead, it's at $6.5m.

And round and round it goes.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If the offer is between $6.87 to $9.16 million, it's a 1st, 2nd and 3rd. If it's over $9.16, it's two 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd. It has to be a team's own picks so some teams wouldn't be in a position to do it. The only teams I could see doing this would be a rebuilding team that has a lot of cap space and prospects already in the pipeline. Also, Swayman would have to sign the offer sheet. If he's open to playing anywhere, then I guess a team like Anaheim, Chicago, Columbus or Calgary could be an option.

But if it’s more than 5 years you divide the total by 5. So you can’t really sheet him for 7 without it costing 4 firsts.

 

[LiseL]

exactly sign him to a bridge deal and then if he proves he can continue what he has done so far and you feel he will never sign with you long term flip him at the trade deadline for a kings ransom.

Wishful thinking there. Look at the Ullmark trade, fair if Ullmark doesn't re-sign with Ottawa but no so great for the Bruins if he does stay in Ottawa. It's already known by the league now the kind of money Swayman is looking for so a king's ransom is highly unlikely. Goalie trades rarely return good value.

 

[UConn126]

I wonder how many people wouldn't fight for worth in their negotiations. But that's just being greedy

I'd take a paycheck over sitting at home refusing to work until my salary demands are met, but that's just me, though I'd probably think differently if I were a millionaire in my early 20s lol.


I've successfully negotiated higher salary and more PTO before but I've never gone back on an offer and tried to reset the market for my role. There's a difference between fighting for your worth and what Swayman is doing.

 

[DKH]

Lol what are “Gen Z vibes”?

Sounds like a coded way to apply ageism, while we’re discussing ethics in the work place.

felger became full hack sometime after the bruins won the cup because he realized his bruins suck shtick didn’t work anymore, once upon a time the guy was a genuine hockey and bruins fan albeit a jaded one, and instead just went full blown Alex Jones with his media personality. Let’s not pretend the dude is some sage now


That said, if I’m swayman I’m signing yesterday 8 for 8

Felger has a Gen Z and msybe two of them lol

 

[LiseL]

I forget which GM it was who recently said there was no way they would deal a mid to early first round pick for Ullmark because goalies in general are just too unstable year to year to be worth it

Which is why I think Ottawa was the only team interested in giving a 1st and they had to accept Korpi as it was the only way Ottawa could fit Ullmark under their cap. Most GMs just don't value goalies as much as forwards and Dmen. Will be interesting to see what happens with the Rangers and Shesterkin, although the Rangers are known to overspend for stars so probably not a good barometer on to how the rest of the league will react going forward.

 

[LiseL]

Felger not liking the Gen Z vibes or the " I took business classes in Maine " peacocking by Swayman

Another common theme we hear lately from some players is the cap is going up so they expect to get paid.

What I'd like to say to them: "True, but it's going up by $4 million, not $20 million. That has to be shared with the entire roster, not eaten all up by you. You're not the only player who needs to be signed or get a raise."

 

[DKH]

At this point I go out of my way to not draft or sign players represented by Gross. He's a toxic agent that doesnt negotiate in good faith. This is probably the 4th/5th high profile case of his antics.

I only paid attention to Nylander because it was Toronto and I know he’s Pastrnak buddy and was hoping he’d go to FA

But Gross brought the chaos lol

I think they've already tried this approach with that supposed 4 year 26 mil offer that the Spitting Chiclets clowns lambasted them over as a "low ball".

You don't get to earn 8+ mil and become UFA in 3/4 years. If that's your desired path, you make less for short term ability to rest the market quicker.

Gross had ties as an agent to Spittin Chicklets hosts so I would hope they are getting dirt on Donny lol

 

[LiseL]

And it doesn't in this case given that 6.2 was for a short term offer and 9.5 is for a longer term. The center is not where it would seem.

Did anybody report that 6.2 at 4 years was actually offered or was it the starting point for the 8 year term? Every insider (Lebrun, Dreger) said both sides wanted a long term deal. The only mentions of bridge deals I've seen are those posted here but maybe I missed something.

 

[GordonHowe]

Are the Bruins really facing a doomsday trade scenario with Jeremy Swayman?

Regardless of the return, trading Jeremy Swayman would represent the worst-case scenario for a win-now Bruins roster.

www.boston.com

 

[Ace0813]

I hope that the no-show on 98.5 was a PR move by the Bruins staff… nothing productive would’ve come from that interview

 

[Dizzay]

Swayman 8×8

 

[GordonHowe]

wow really seeing a common denominator here.

Michael Nylander would like a word.

I hope that the no-show on 98.5 was a PR move by the Bruins staff… nothing productive would’ve come from that interview

Nothing ever does.

 

[LiseL]

Yet the cup winning goalie cost more than all of them, significantly so

My point is that both Shesterkin and Swayman want as much or more than what Bob got. Neither one beat him this year, did they? They were both eliminated after 6 games. Even Edmonton, with their average goalie and so so D, got it to game 7 and lost by one goal.

I don't think Swayman has yet reached the level Bob was at when he got that contract as a UFA. Bob also struggled at first with Florida when they were playing run and gun hockey. It wasn't until Zito came in and made some changes to the roster and coaches that they started making some noise in the playoffs and eventually winning it. Bob was really good in last year's playoffs, he was good enough this year but it's not like Bob took the team on has back to win the cup. Zito really had a nose for finding players underrated by other teams where they took off in Florida.

There's a reason other teams haven't followed suit with those big contracts for goalies after Price and Bob. It seems that Shesterkin and Swayman want to change that. All I can say is good luck with that. They may individually be successful but I don't see it becoming a thing throughout the NHL.

 

[Pia8988]

My point is that both Shesterkin and Swayman want as much or more than what Bob got. Neither one beat him this year, did they? They were both eliminated after 6 games. Even Edmonton, with their average goalie and so so D, got it to game 7 and lost by one goal.

I don't think Swayman has yet reached the level Bob was at when he got that contract as a UFA. Bob also struggled at first with Florida when they were playing run and gun hockey. It wasn't until Zito came in and made some changes to the roster and coaches that they started making some noise in the playoffs and eventually winning it. Bob was really good in last year's playoffs, he was good enough this year but it's not like Bob took the team on has back to win the cup. Zito really had a nose for finding players underrated by other teams where they took off in Florida.

There's a reason other teams haven't followed suit with those big contracts for goalies after Price and Bob. It seems that Shesterkin and Swayman want to change that. All I can say is good luck with that. They may individually be successful but I don't see it becoming a thing throughout the NHL.

No one as reported Swayman for asking for more than 10