Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -VI President Cam Speaks: Monty, Donny, & Charlie too!

[Gee Wally]

Mod edit: @smithformeragent

As this situation continues to drag on:

Please keep the conversation pertinent to the topic and avoid making it personal.

Debate about the management of the salary cap and the performance of the general manager fits into the context of the conversation, but we’ll avoid dividing fans into camps like “pro-player” and “team apologist”.

Thanks!

Continue if you must. No flaming!

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[Walkenthewalk]

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

A Bruins bottom six of Frederic-Poitras-Geekie, Jones-Beecher-Kastelic costs $7.75M. Where is this overspending in the bottom six? Sure if you put Zadorov on third pair it’s a hugely expensive third pair, but then you have a $5M second pair so that’s just some sleight of hand.

 

[DKH]

I'm not suggesting he trumps the team at all. I'm saying the fans here who think a player should take a team friendly deal just to stay in Boston are grossly misrepresenting the importance of a guy not from that area playing for their team. It's delusional to think they have any real ties to the area in most cases.

Now, specific to Swayman, he definitely has benefitted from playing on some very good defensive teams here, but he's also been a big reason why those teams looked so solid defensively. Mainly because under Monty's system, they give up way more odd man rushes the other way with the d constantly jumping up into the offensive zone play. So the sheer frequency with which that happens requires a good goalie. I'm not so sure it will look the same with Korpisalo and Bussi back there over Sway over the course of 82 games. In fact, I'd bet it looks significantly worse. Which makes the haggling over every last dime a little pointless. He's by far their best goalie. Stop playing games and get the guy signed already.

You have 3 kids, they are very lucky to have such a marshmallow dad who gives them whatever they want

I hope they appreciate you unlike our buddy you know who

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I guess it all depends on whether you think any of that collective is worth signing. TBH, bottom of the roster spots should be filled on the cheap and with internal options instead of paying premiums in free agency or trade for those slots, imo.

None of those players is what I’d consider a must have. They’re all complimentary depth types. Overpaying those guys but nickel and diming your starting goalie is really really f***ing stupid.

Lots of posters (and media types) have been begging for the Bruins to get more physical, especially on the back end. Zadorov and Peeke do just that. Bruins don't really have any internal options on defense after Lohrei.

I don't really think they are nickel and diming Swayman.

 

[LSCII]

You have 3 kids, they are very lucky to have such a marshmallow dad who gives them whatever they want

I hope they appreciate you unlike our buddy you know who

See Dan, you’re conflating business with pleasure. How I treat my kids is irrelevant to how I conduct business. If the Bruins are using your suggested dynamic as the basis of their relationship with a player, that’s a huge red flag.

Swayman has proven over the last 4 years that he’s a top 5 goalie. That’s a great problem to have if you’re a team. The Bruins need to stop trying to save a buck with top of the roster types while spending like a drunken sailor in a strip joint on bottom of the roster types. It’s not Sways job to make up for Sweeney overpaying 4th line stiffs.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

See Dan, you’re conflating business with pleasure. How I treat my kids is irrelevant to how I conduct business. If the Bruins are using your suggested dynamic as the basis of their relationship with a player, that’s a huge red flag.

Swayman has proven over the last 4 years that he’s a top 5 goalie. That’s a great problem to have if you’re a team. The Bruins need to stop trying to save a buck with top of the roster types while spending like a drunken sailor in a strip joint on bottom of the roster types. It’s not Sways job to make up for Sweeney overpaying 4th line stiffs.

Which fourth line “stiff” is overpaid?

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

No would have acquired Colin Miller for the 3rd or the 4th he went for and would not have traded Ullmark for that package. 26th ov while taking on a terrible contract is not worth dumping my goalie

I don't really think Colin Miller is an improvement over Peeke. Playing for 6 teams over the last 8 seasons tells me Miller isn't endearing himself to anyone.

If the B's didn't make the trade with Ottawa, they may still have Ullmark. More leverage in negotiating with Swayman but less cap space to do it with.

 

[BMC]

I know you’re just being funny with this but the dynamic here where they actually think a player from another state should give a f*** about whether they play for the Bruins or another one of the teams in the league is so silly. If I’m a player and my goal from when I was a kid was to play in the NHL, it really wouldn’t matter which team it was. And in Swayman’s case, after the team dragging him through the coals in arbitration last year and then lowballing him this year, I'd openly welcome a move. He’s far more important to their success than they are to his at this point.


Bottom roster heavy with 4th line and 3rd pairing types and not enough actual skill players to fill out the top 6, which is why they end up always having to slot guys up.

Wait, wait, wait! Jesus Christ on a bicycle @LSCII for the last time, Boston didn't take Swayman to arbitration. Gross & Swayman opted for arbitration. And once there the Bruins laid out their case & Gross and Swayman laid out theirs. WTH was Sweeney supposed to do? Go easy on Swayman to avoid hurting his widdle fweeings?? It's obvious now that Gross didn't prepare Swayman for the process & it came as a shock to his client.

Question: do we know for a fact that Boston "lowballed" him on this new deal? And is that "lowball" figure really "lowball" or simply based on Swayman's present statistics as opposed to what statistics he might compile in the future??? Again,

 

[Pia8988]

Wait, wait, wait! Jesus Christ on a bicycle @LSCII for the last time, Boston didn't take Swayman to arbitration. Gross & Swayman opted for arbitration. And once there the Bruins laid out their case & Gross and Swayman laid out theirs. WTH was Sweeney supposed to do? Go easy on Swayman to avoid hurting his widdle fweeings?? It's obvious now that Gross didn't prepare Swayman for the process & it came as a shock to his client.

Question: do we know for a fact that Boston "lowballed" him on this new deal? And is that "lowball" figure really "lowball" or simply based on Swayman's present statistics as opposed to what statistics he might compile in the future??? Again,

Swayman's only option was arbitration or to take a lesser offer. This means Don and the Bruins played a part in this. Even if Swayman elected for it, most teams work to avoid arbitration and sign a deal before then. Especially when it involves one of your best players and a key pieces of the future. The Bruins are also complicit in this. The Bruins know arbitration is relationship damaging, why didn't they work out a deal before hand?

Based on how Bruins handle RFAs in general. Yes I'd say this is true.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

See Dan, you’re conflating business with pleasure. How I treat my kids is irrelevant to how I conduct business. If the Bruins are using your suggested dynamic as the basis of their relationship with a player, that’s a huge red flag.

Swayman has proven over the last 4 years that he’s a top 5 goalie. That’s a great problem to have if you’re a team. The Bruins need to stop trying to save a buck with top of the roster types while spending like a drunken sailor in a strip joint on bottom of the roster types. It’s not Sways job to make up for Sweeney overpaying 4th line stiffs.

Don't think that is true.

Even last season his numbers (2.53 GA, .916 SP) were nearly identical to Ullmark's (2.57 GA, .915 SP).

This top 5 stuff is based solely on a very short playoff run.

Still, I feel the Bruins will get him signed to a somewhat reasonable contract.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Swayman's only option was arbitration or to take a lesser offer. This means Don and the Bruins played a part in this. Even if Swayman elected for it, most teams work to avoid arbitration and sign a deal before then. Especially when it involves one of your best players and a key pieces of the future. The Bruins are also complicit in this. The Bruins know arbitration is relationship damaging, why didn't they work out a deal before hand?

Based on how Bruins handle RFAs in general. Yes I'd say this is true.

I’ll ask again - what other RFAs have they played hardball with?

 

[Hookslide]

Lots of posters (and media types) have been begging for the Bruins to get more physical, especially on the back end. Zadorov and Peeke do just that. Bruins don't really have any internal options on defense after Lohrei.

I don't really think they are nickel and diming Swayman.

I would give you a LIKE ! but I am still in bad boy status.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

So much presupposition there.

1)That they had to trade Ullmark
2) That OTT was the ONLY team they could trade him to.
3) That they had to give in to OTT's demands. Sweeney is ok negotiating and holding the line on Swayman but apparently caved wasily to OTT.

Also "Zadorov filled a need" is hysterical... Who fills a bigger need Zadorov or Swayman?

Finally your contention that signing one has nothing to do with signing another may be correct. But if that's true, that one large signing doesn't affect future signings is true, then people should stop saying that we shouldn't sign Sway to 8m because that means they can't sign others in the future. Either that argument works for Zad's signing too, or it doesn't work for Swayman.

So are you presupposing that the Bruins are going to lose Swayman? I'm presupposing they will sign him. Thus filling both needs, not one or the other.

I would give you a LIKE ! but I am still in bad boy status.

Feed your spirit!

 

[bruins cup]

63-37-46-33 and many more have all taken team friendly deals to keep the team competitive Mr Jeremy has to do the same

 

[EverettMike]

63-37-46-33 and many more have all taken team friendly deals to keep the team competitive Mr Jeremy has to do the same

I'm going to become the Joker.

 

[BTO]

On a completely unrelated note, I notice that Ullmark saved 28 of 29 shots in 30 minutes and 20 seconds last night for Ottawa.

 

[DKH]

See Dan, you’re conflating business with pleasure. How I treat my kids is irrelevant to how I conduct business. If the Bruins are using your suggested dynamic as the basis of their relationship with a player, that’s a huge red flag.

Swayman has proven over the last 4 years that he’s a top 5 goalie. That’s a great problem to have if you’re a team. The Bruins need to stop trying to save a buck with top of the roster types while spending like a drunken sailor in a strip joint on bottom of the roster types. It’s not Sways job to make up for Sweeney overpaying 4th line stiffs.

I’m a card carrying member of Sway Nation

6:50 M or 8:64

I’d pay him it right now back at practice tomorrow (what’s his agent cut ? Flat fee or dreaded %?)

Is more than fair

I’d give it to him now and spring for lunch at the Stock Yard with Marchy & Pasts & McAvoy to get them all back in love

 

[smithformeragent]

I'm going to become the Joker.

Nicholson or Leto?

(I recently rewatched BTAS start to finish, so my recency bias is for Hamill)

 

[EverettMike]

Nicholson or Leto?

(I recently rewatched BTAS start to finish, so my recency bias is for Hamill)

The one from the comics that mur.....I've said too much.

 

[smithformeragent]

On a completely unrelated note, I notice that Ullmark saved 28 of 29 shots in 30 minutes and 20 seconds last night for Ottawa.

It'll be interesting to see how he does, and how they do as a team.

It feels like the Bruins could fall out of bed and be a lock for 100 points and top 3 in the division every year, despite some (like me) calling for the re-build and then looking foolish by Christmas.

As an academic exercise, I'd really be interested to see what a season of Korpisalo and Bussi looks like.

 

[smithformeragent]

The one from the comics that mur.....I've said too much.

I'm dressing my kid up as Robin for Halloween.

He's more Tim Drake than Dick Grayson.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Swayman's only option was arbitration or to take a lesser offer. This means Don and the Bruins played a part in this. Even if Swayman elected for it, most teams work to avoid arbitration and sign a deal before then. Especially when it involves one of your best players and a key pieces of the future. The Bruins are also complicit in this. The Bruins know arbitration is relationship damaging, why didn't they work out a deal before hand?

Based on how Bruins handle RFAs in general. Yes I'd say this is true.

Perhaps because Swayman was asking for way too much?

 

[smithformeragent]

(In the voice of Tony Mazz’s “Townie” character)

“Yeah, Swayman should play fah the league minimum, that way they can sign anothah top 6 wingah.”

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I don't really think Colin Miller is an improvement over Peeke. Playing for 6 teams over the last 8 seasons tells me Miller isn't endearing himself to anyone.

If the B's didn't make the trade with Ottawa, they may still have Ullmark. More leverage in negotiating with Swayman but less cap space to do it with.

One was a rental that was often a healthy scratch and one had 2 more seasons at 2.75 mil per that was often a healthy scratch

 

[Pia8988]

Perhaps because Swayman was asking for way too much?

Or didn't want to take a one year deal to make up for the Bruin's cap situation