Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent

[EverettMike]

Still holding out to reset the goalie market and become the highest paid NHL player of all time despite never taking a bridge deal or playing a full season as a true starter and he's got no leverage so he should take whatever money the Bruins have left after they've overpaid everybody else but Sweeney only made one insulting offer and then didn't talk for 3 weeks then again Swayman can sit at home and ruin his own career because he's just mad Sweeney made negative remarks about him during arbitration and now Swayman is acting like a big baby complaining to the media and he doesn't deserve more than 6 million because Korpisalo will be almost as good as him or maybe the same and he makes a lot less than that

Slainte

You were a "Gen Z greed" reference away from nailing it.

 

[TD Charlie]

You were a "Gen Z greed" reference away from nailing it.

f***

"You're absolutely right, Mike"

 

[EverettMike]

f***

"You're absolutely right, Mike"

We like to have fun here in the shit factory! You gotta, otherwise you really notice the shit!

 

[SwayHeyKid]

And what "SCRUBS" ! do you suggest they cut, and who do you suggest as replacements for these "SCRUBS"!

Well demote Letteri and you have 9.25 million this year so you can actually keep replacement level players like Peeke and Korpisalo if you must

 

[SwayHeyKid]

This is silly. Of course it matters - the cap is a zero sum situation. Hand waving away the effect every dollar has is short sighted. Look at the Leafs - do you think any fan there was rooting for their stars to get more money?

It doesn't. The Leafs signed 4 forwards. Poor construction, The Bruins have nobody other than Pasta who will remotely need a big deal. Pasta 11 plus, McAvoy 9 plus and Swayman 8 plus. Simple.

The fans were rooting for their players to be on the team. As am I with Swayman. It is absolutely ridiculous that the Bruins have the cap space for him this year and he's still not signed. Is Swayman or is he not the future? Do the Bruins have a better chance to win a Cup with or without him? Is it a huge deal to "overpay" him for a couple seasons?

Mindboggling this team would blow their wad on 30+ UFA's, not get anything of substance of impact to this team for their most tradeable commodity, have cap space AND STILL not have Swayman locked up.

I mean shit use Reilly's 1.3 mil buyout this year as your overpay going forward. This management team this summer is being laughed at how they have handled this so far. Doesn't mean it won't get done, but they have had since what last summer to work out an extension knowing they were going to trade Ullmark? Did they even talk to see what Swayman wanted during the season extension wise?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

It doesn't. The Leafs signed 4 forwards. Poor construction, The Bruins have nobody other than Pasta who will remotely need a big deal. Pasta 11 plus, McAvoy 9 plus and Swayman 8 plus. Simple.

The fans were rooting for their players to be on the team. As am I with Swayman. It is absolutely ridiculous that the Bruins have the cap space for him this year and he's still not signed. Is Swayman or is he not the future? Do the Bruins have a better chance to win a Cup with or without him? Is it a huge deal to "overpay" him for a couple seasons?

Mindboggling this team would blow their wad on 30+ UFA's, not get anything of substance of impact to this team for their most tradeable commodity, have cap space AND STILL not have Swayman locked up.

I mean shit use Reilly's 1.3 mil buyout this year as your overpay going forward. This management team this summer is being laughed at how they have handled this so far. Doesn't mean it won't get done, but they have had since what last summer to work out an extension knowing they were going to trade Ullmark? Did they even talk to see what Swayman wanted during the season extension wise?

I mean this is fraught with assumptions. You’d give Swayman $10M so there’s quite a bit of bias here too.

Maple Leaf fans wanted the players on the team. They’re pissed at how much each took. It’s not about wanting them on the team it’s about having the salaries as low as possible - that helps the overall team. If you were a Leaf fan would you have been rooting for Nylander to get more? Matthews? It’s not about wanting the player, it’s about cost and you know that. No one here was rooting for Pasta to get more or McAvoy to get more. It’s only with this guy it’s bizarre.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I mean this is fraught with assumptions. You’d give Swayman $10M so there’s quite a bit of bias here too.

Maple Leaf fans wanted the players on the team. They’re pissed at how much each took. It’s not about wanting them on the team it’s about having the salaries as low as possible - that helps the overall team. If you were a Leaf fan would you have been rooting for Nylander to get more? Matthews? It’s not about wanting the player, it’s about cost and you know that. No one here was rooting for Pasta to get more or McAvoy to get more. It’s only with this guy it’s bizarre.

I give him 8.5 If he doesn't budge I deal him, but I would have at least known that before I dealt Ullmark that's for sure. Pasta and McAvoy both came in on the super high end, both deserved but certainly no discount. Swayman should clock in at 8.5, no discount either.

As for the Leafs, I don't care, get my guys in that get me the best chance to win Don't pay for guys like Kampf, Reaves and Jarnkrok. That's on the GM and capologist.

The fact fans in general would pearl clutch on a guy like Swayman getting "overpaid" but not worry about guys in the bottom six, bottom pair or back up goalie is just odd to me. If the Bruins had signed a guy like Lankinen say for sub one million instead of taking on 12 mil over the next four years on Korpisalo I don't think there would be so much worry about the cap

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I give him 8.5 If he doesn't budge I deal him, but I would have at least known that before I dealt Ullmark that's for sure. Pasta and McAvoy both came in on the super high end, both deserved but certainly no discount. Swayman should clock in at 8.5, no discount either.

As for the Leafs, I don't care, get my guys in that get me the best chance to win Don't pay for guys like Kampf, Reaves and Jarnkrok. That's on the GM and capologist.

The fact fans in general would pearl clutch on a guy like Swayman getting "overpaid" but not worry about guys in the bottom six, bottom pair or back up goalie is just odd to me. If the Bruins had signed a guy like Lankinen say for sub one million instead of taking on 12 mil over the next four years on Korpisalo I don't think there would be so much worry about the cap

Given what we’ve seen, do you think Gross would have negotiated before they traded Ullmark? Why would he do that without this leverage everyone has said Swayman has now? He had no reason to sign early. And in fact if he signed and then they kept Ullmark that would have been bad for his client no?

It’s funny - I’m in almost the exact same range of what I’d give Swayman on a long term deal as you now that you’ve come down from the $9.5M-$10M you were ok with before. And yet on the surface it appears we’re in a huge disagreement.

 

[goldenblack]

I think Korpi is about to make this real uncomfortable for Sway's side. And we are here for it.

 

[Eddie Munson]

I give him 8.5 If he doesn't budge I deal him, but I would have at least known that before I dealt Ullmark that's for sure. Pasta and McAvoy both came in on the super high end, both deserved but certainly no discount. Swayman should clock in at 8.5, no discount either.

As for the Leafs, I don't care, get my guys in that get me the best chance to win Don't pay for guys like Kampf, Reaves and Jarnkrok. That's on the GM and capologist.

The fact fans in general would pearl clutch on a guy like Swayman getting "overpaid" but not worry about guys in the bottom six, bottom pair or back up goalie is just odd to me. If the Bruins had signed a guy like Lankinen say for sub one million instead of taking on 12 mil over the next four years on Korpisalo I don't think there would be so much worry about the cap

I don't care if we have 20m in cap space, a bad contract is a bad contract and shouldn't be measured by other bad contracts or available cap space.

There's a bunch of guys who are twice the defender Darnell Nurse is. Does that make them worth 18m? No. It means Darnell Nurse isn't worth the market rate he was paid for a top end defender. Hence why it's a bad contract and should be looked at as a cautionary tale and not the norm.

 

[goldenblack]

Btw if you had to take Korpi 3 + Swayman 7.25

or

Some guy 2M + Swayman 9.5 (because he got his way)

I know which one is more cap friendly...

 

[I Hate Philadelphia]

Korpisalo has spent his entire career playing behind terrible Columbus and Ottawa teams.

He has played in the playoffs twice during his nine year career, putting up a .922 sv% across 14 games played.

Maybe he's finally in a situation to put up good numbers behind a strong defensive team with elite goalie coaching.

/end cope

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I don't care if we have 20m in cap space, a bad contract is a bad contract and shouldn't be measured by other bad contracts or available cap space.

There's a bunch of guys who are twice the defender Darnell Nurse is. Does that make them worth 18m? No. It means Darnell Nurse isn't worth the market rate he was paid for a top end defender. Hence why it's a bad contract and should be looked at as a cautionary tale and not the norm.

Swayman won't be a Nurse.

Btw if you had to take Korpi 3 + Swayman 7.25

or

Some guy 2M + Swayman 9.5 (because he got his way)

I know which one is more cap friendly...

Korpisalo 3 and Swayman 8.5
or
DeSmith 1 and Swayman 8.5?

 

[kdog82]

Swayman should probably fire his agent. What a clown.

 

[Eddie Munson]

Swayman won't be a Nurse.

You're ignoring my point. You said, and I'm paraphrasing, maybe we wouldn't be worried with what Swayman is paid if we didn't have other bad contracts and more cap. That is 100% irrelevant as to whether a player deserves X amount of money.

For a hypothetical, I think we can all agree if Swayman got 12m that would be a bad contract. Wouldn't matter if we had 12m in cap space or 20m.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Given what we’ve seen, do you think Gross would have negotiated before they traded Ullmark? Why would he do that without this leverage everyone has said Swayman has now? He had no reason to sign early. And in fact if he signed and then they kept Ullmark that would have been bad for his client no?

It’s funny - I’m in almost the exact same range of what I’d give Swayman on a long term deal as you now that you’ve come down from the $9.5M-$10M you were ok with before. And yet on the surface it appears we’re in a huge disagreement.

I honestly don't care if he gets 9.5 or 10 (doubt he will) but I can at least see some reasoning about why they wouldn't want to.

For me, after the arb you say lets work out long term now (if legal, not sure about the rules on a extension the year of arbitration) we will go long years at good money. Do you think Swayman goes 8/56 in November of last season to start this year? I do. 100%

 

[Hookslide]

It doesn't. The Leafs signed 4 forwards. Poor construction, The Bruins have nobody other than Pasta who will remotely need a big deal. Pasta 11 plus, McAvoy 9 plus and Swayman 8 plus. Simple.

The fans were rooting for their players to be on the team. As am I with Swayman. It is absolutely ridiculous that the Bruins have the cap space for him this year and he's still not signed. Is Swayman or is he not the future? Do the Bruins have a better chance to win a Cup with or without him? Is it a huge deal to "overpay" him for a couple seasons?

Mindboggling this team would blow their wad on 30+ UFA's, not get anything of substance of impact to this team for their most tradeable commodity, have cap space AND STILL not have Swayman locked up.

I mean shit use Reilly's 1.3 mil buyout this year as your overpay going forward. This management team this summer is being laughed at how they have handled this so far. Doesn't mean it won't get done, but they have had since what last summer to work out an extension knowing they were going to trade Ullmark? Did they even talk to see what Swayman wanted during the season extension wise?

If they do what you say, gets you by this year what are they going to do next year and the year after when Freddy will be FA, and Geekie RFA ?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

You're ignoring my point. You said, and I'm paraphrasing, maybe we wouldn't be worried with what Swayman is paid if we didn't have other bad contracts and more cap. That is 100% irrelevant as to whether a player deserves X amount of money.

For a hypothetical, I think we can all agree if Swayman got 12m that would be a bad contract. Wouldn't matter if we had 12m in cap space or 20m.

My point was 8 or 9.5 it doesn't matter over the long haul. Just makes you more careful as a manager.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

If they do what you say, gets you by this year what are they going to do next year and the year after when Freddy will be FA, and Geekie RFA ?

8.5 puts them at about 70 mil for next season. Marchand and Freddy UFA Lohrei RFA Geekie RFA

Plenty of money

 

[I am Canadian]

How much money did William Nylander lose when he signed right before the season deadline?

He actually didn't lose anything. The contract was pro rated, meaning he made 10M in the first year. Another way Leafs management pampered the star players

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I honestly don't care if he gets 9.5 or 10 (doubt he will) but I can at least see some reasoning about why they wouldn't want to.

For me, after the arb you say lets work out long term now (if legal, not sure about the rules on an extension the year of arbitration) we will go long years at good money. Do you think Swayman goes 8/56 in November of last season to start this year? I do. 100%

We couldn’t sign him to a long term deal after arb until January 1.

Regardless, what about this negotiation tells you Gross would have been amenable to locking up a $7M long term deal in January?

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Swayman should probably fire his agent. What a clown.

He should have fired after the arbitration hearing last year. Regardless of how you feel about the process. It seems Swayman was completely unprepared for what would happen , and that is on his agent.

 

[Hookslide]

8.5 puts them at about 70 mil for next season. Marchand and Freddy UFA Lohrei RFA Geekie RFA

Plenty of money

He should not be paid 8.5 mil sorry. If you are correct that there is plenty of money, what about getting a RW or goal scorer that they desperately need, or do we keep signing PTOs ? I know I will offend you but this just Sway and his agents number and I might add yours also that if you do not get your number all three of you will sulk.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

We couldn’t sign him to a long term deal after arb until January 1.

Regardless, what about this negotiation tells you Gross would have been amenable to locking up a $7M long term deal in January?

No play-off performance.

He should not be paid 8.5 mil sorry. If you are correct that there is plenty of money, what about getting a RW or goal scorer that they desperately need, or do we keep signing PTOs ? I know I will offend you but this just Sway and his agents number and I might add yours also that if you do not get your number all three of you will sulk.

Not going to sulk at all. It's just sports, sports are the toy store of life.

Personally I would have tried to fill the RW spot with Zadorov's money, but not going to sweat it, I like the mean Bruins.

 

[Hookslide]

No play-off performance.


Not going to sulk at all. It's just sports, sports are the toy store of life.

Personally I would have tried to fill the RW spot with Zadorov's money, but not going to sweat it, I like the mean Bruins.

I like that toy story of life interesting.