Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent

[Nothingbutglass]

On the contrary, Swaymans agent needs to make sure that Sweeney is aware that the first year cap cost goes up. The cap is a Sweeney problem, not a Swayman problem

Its absolutely a Swayman problem if he wants to play in the NHL this year.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

On the contrary, Swaymans agent needs to make sure that Sweeney is aware that the first year cap cost goes up. The cap is a Sweeney problem, not a Swayman problem

One thing i am quite sure of. Sweeney and Gold know every single detail of the cap.

 

[TD Charlie]

Its absolutely a Swayman problem if he wants to play in the NHL this year.

I assume he wants to play, but there’s no point in donating his services

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I assume he wants to play, but there’s no point in donating his services

Bruins only have X amount of cap space. If they cant fit him, they need to go with the Gs they already have. Unless you think they should dump someone to give him extra money?

 

[TD Charlie]

Bruins only have X amount of cap space. If they cant fit him, they need to go with the Gs they already have. Unless you think they should dump someone to give him extra money?

All I’m saying is that’s not up to Swaymans agent to figure out. Whatever they feel the player is worth, that’s going to be the asking price.

 

[Dr Quincy]

This is really just baseless speculation, but part of my feels like Swayman is hellbent on proving himself as a true #1 now that the tandem is gone and wants to be in contention for the Vezina. I just don't imagine him wanting to let the hold out spill into the regular season and hurt his chances there. Or maybe he cares more about money and sticking it to Sweeney

Maybe. Maybe Sweeney wants to get passed the 2nd round this year and win a Cup for the first time. Or maybe he cares more about money and sticking it to Swayman.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

All I’m saying is that’s not up to Swaymans agent to figure out. Whatever they feel the player is worth, that’s going to be the asking price.

It's the agent's job to figure it out. Swayman doesn't have a contract. He can't sign for an NHL team other than the Bruins this year. He better have a SHL team lined up as a backup if his asking price isn't met.

 

[nORRis8]

Its absolutely a Swayman problem if he wants to play in the NHL this year.

Yup.
Move on from the drama.
Pick up Lankinen.
Call'er good.

 

[TD Charlie]

It's the agent's job to figure it out. Swayman doesn't have a contract. He can't sign for an NHL team other than the Bruins this year. He better have a SHL team lined up as a backup if his asking price isn't met.

It just takes two to tango. Too many people here acting like Swayman should accept whatever pennies Sweeney has to offer, and not to try maximize his value.

Not to mention Bruins still have a few bucks to spend.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

It just takes two to tango. Too many people here acting like Swayman should accept whatever pennies Sweeney has to offer, and not to try maximize his value.

Not to mention Bruins still have a few bucks to spend.

I think Swayman overplayed his hand with no leverage and the Bruins are getting ready to walk.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

More BS about Swayman having "no leverage".

 

[Boston Bruno]

#freegibson

 

[Nothingbutglass]

More BS about Swayman having "no leverage".

What is his leverage?

 

[JAD]

More BS about Swayman having "no leverage".

What exactly is his leverage?

Holding out?
Hoping Boston's other goalies faulter?
Request a trade?
Price himself out of Boston's economic plan?
Doing so may force Boston to trade other player's hurting overall team depth just to fit the cap.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Yup.
Move on from the drama.
Pick up Lankinen.
Call'er good.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1837589749261128063

 

[JAD]

Well I hate to break it to you, but signing bergy/krejci caused an extra $4.5m in bonus overages last year which didn’t allow the bruins to offer swayman a bridge deal last year.

Yes I was against bergy/krejci signings because I said it wasn’t worth negatively impacting future rosters.

Fast forward two years later unfortunately that is exactly what’s happening.

All for a first round playoff loss.

Mistake might be a little much. But definitely a gamble that didn’t pay off and still hurting the team.

Your last sentence is probably most accurate and relevant to the current situation.

Every team in a win now mode takes those types of chances and deals with the consequences later on down the road. It's the cost of trying to win a championship.

The Bruins had a historic regular season and lost in the first round of the playoffs. If they had won the cup, would we still be having this conversation?

There are many other variables between then and now that affected the cap; nit just those two signing and bonuses. Also, during that time, Swayman grew, flushed and prospered; and happily so for Boston. Swayman, just as easily, could have faltered, falling on his face or been just mediocre.

Unfortunate events happen. Boston main objective is to stay a legitimate contender. Do what needs to be done for the present, without being totally foolish about the future, but that still may include taking calculated risks.

I am sure Boston and Sway will find their way and Boston will pay Sway a reasonable pay-day and Sway will ultimately play.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

What exactly is his leverage?

Holding out?
Hoping Boston's other goalies faulter?
Request a trade?
Price himself out of Boston's economic plan?
Doing so may force Boston to trade other player's hurting overall team depth just to fit the cap.

They traded another goalie before signing Swayman.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

They traded another goalie before signing Swayman.

What? That means pay Swayman $9+? How about Swayman sits home and Bussi and Korpi start the year? That's not leverage.

 

[JAD]

They traded another goalie before signing Swayman.

I don't disagree and I did speak to that before Ullmark was traded.
Boston did bring back another, be it, a historically inferior goalie in the trade.
Boston does have a limit to how much they can realistically offer without damaging the team.
Swayman's greatest leverage would be for the other goalies to fall flat. Thus, forcing Boston's hand.
Time will tell.

 

[Dr Quincy]

What? That means pay Swayman $9+? How about Swayman sits home and Bussi and Korpi start the year? That's not leverage.

I'm guessing you didn't watch Korpisalo last year.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I'm guessing you didn't watch Korpisalo last year.

I did. Still doesn't mean I'm giving Swayman $72 million. Im guessing we'll see pretty early how Korpi looks this year behind a better team.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Still doesn't mean I'm giving Swayman $72 million.

Oh hi Jeremy, I totally understand, and thanks for stopping in. While you're here speaking about not paying outrageous prices, I'd like to talk to you about your $60 parking for games and ridiculous prices for mediocre foods and watery beer.

 

[UncleRico]

Your last sentence is probably most accurate and relevant to the current situation.

Every team in a win now mode takes those types of chances and deals with the consequences later on down the road. It's the cost of trying to win a championship.

The Bruins had a historic regular season and lost in the first round of the playoffs. If they had won the cup, would we still be having this conversation?

There are many other variables between then and now that affected the cap; nit just those two signing and bonuses. Also, during that time, Swayman grew, flushed and prospered; and happily so for Boston. Swayman, just as easily, could have faltered, falling on his face or been just mediocre.

Unfortunate events happen. Boston main objective is to stay a legitimate contender. Do what needs to be done for the present, without being totally foolish about the future, but that still may include taking calculated risks.

I am sure Boston and Sway will find their way and Boston will pay Sway a reasonable pay-day and Sway will ultimately play.

It would be a different conversation about how he took a gamble and it paid off, if they had won.

Either way we would be talking about it one way or the other depending on the result.

Yes many teams take gambles to win. Very few teams (if any) have traded away two years of firsts and seconds and used $4.5 million in future cap on one roster. So it’s a bit amplified for sure.

And all of it was on rentals too. None of those draft picks or signings that used future cap were in the roster the next year.

And as a result we weren’t able to offer swayman a bridge deal and are in the current situation with him.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

What? That means pay Swayman $9+? How about Swayman sits home and Bussi and Korpi start the year? That's not leverage.

And just what has those two goalies proven?

Sweet Moses. I just got briefly sucked back into this quagmire.

 

[Pia8988]

And just what has those two goalies proven?

Sweet Moses. I just got briefly sucked back into this quagmire.

That they care about the team more than themselves of course!