Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent

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MarchysNoseKnows

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The "credentials" argument is never going to be resolved here. There are 2 different philosophies about paying players:

1)Pay players for what they've done thus far in their careers- The rationale for this is you are paying a player for their actual demonstrated (and possible sustained) level of performance. The downside/risk is that you are paying a player for performance already gone and not necessarily for what they are going to do while under that new contract.

2) Pay players for what you think they are going to do under that new contract- The rationale is that you don't want to pay a player for what they've done in the past, but rather what they'll be. Locking a young player long term while "overpaying" in the first couple years is that you trust this player is going to outperform their contract and you won't have to worry about the UFA years when the price would be even higher. The risk is the player doesn't turn out to be what you think he is.

Teams in the past have typically gone for #1. This means you usually "win" on most of your contracts on young players and RFAs, but lose on older players and UFAs, because they are either no longer worth the $ as soon as they sign that contract and almost never going forward.

Many teams are now moving towards #2. See the recent contracts of Dylan Guenther and Seth Jarvis. Teams are betting on guys they've identified as cornerstone pieces and locking them up. It means they might be overpaying for the 1st couple years but will potentially have bargains as they get to what would have been the 3rd contract.

There's lots of issues I have with the people arguing for the #1 type philosophy but there's one main issue I have with it in regards to Swayman, and it's this:
The huge majority of people now saying Swayman hasn't proven anything and doesn't "deserve" to be paid like a top 5 goalie are the same people who all during the season were talking about Swayman being a top 5 goalie and an untouchable player on the team. They were all for trading a vezina winning Ullmark in order to clear the way for Sway. There was almost no talk of "Well maybe we shouldn't... maybe Sway can't handle a 60 game load.

I'd just like to imagine this scenario- All goalies in the NHL are miraculously made UFAs. Name all of the goalies you'd take ahead of Swayman to be your goalie for the next 8 years.
Which camp are you in if you think the right numbers for Swayman are 8x$8M-$8.25M or 4x$7M-$7.5M?
 
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NDiesel

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This thread is getting pretty wild. I'm definitely not saying pay Sway 10 mil and be done with it, but the amount of attacking him for not taking a pay cut or just signing is embarrassing. Thought we were all huge fans of his just 4 months ago...

Which camp are you in if you think the right numbers for Swayman are 8x$8M-$8.25M or 4x$7M-$7.5M?
Pretty much a combo of paying him for what he's done and what you think he'll be I'd say
 

UncleRico

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What did that get any of them? Zero cups. No one on the 2011 team had taken a hometown discount. Some guys were underpaid, but no one specifically signed for less than that could have like some stars did after 2011.

You are correct, it got them absolutely nothing. Especially under Sweeney. All it got us was terrible free agent signings that were healthy scratched come playoff time.

All those hometown discounts went to Backes, Beleskey, John Moore, Mike Reilly, Nick Foligno, forbort, etc

Meanwhile Krejci had a dumpster fire for RWs under Sweeney for nearly a decade while we had upwards of $15m being healthy scratched in the playoffs at times under Sweeney

Go get your money Jeremy, it’s not going to make a difference under Sweeney anyways.

Sweeney and Evan Gold are so overrated it’s insane.
 
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