Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -V - all still silent

[MarchysNoseKnows]

If faced with the choice of not having Swayman this year or trading him for pieces that can help... that's a tough choice.

For example, a deal like Keller for Swayman with Utah. Doesn't have to be those names, it's just a suggestion for a framework. The other team doesn't have to have tons of cap space if it's a hockey trade.

WRT Chicago, they have multiple firsts so they can keep their lottery 1st and still offer a 1st in the deal. They could do an OS compensation package equivalent at $9.1m (1st, 2nd, 3rd) and still keep their own picks in the first and second rounds.

Not true - offer sheets have to be your own picks

 

[Nothingbutglass]

That's more often how it goes - it was the Bruins who could have negotiated something longer term and avoided the adversarial positioning of arbitration. Swayman's number during negotiations was 4.8mil.

They give him 4 or 5 years at 5-6 and they'd be in a good spot right now and without the bad blood of the business.

The Bruins could have given him exactly what he wanted to ensure his feelings weren't hurt at any level, but thats not how it works. Other players have been in arbitration and have survived. Looking forward to seeing how Bussi and Korpi look early on.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

That's more often how it goes - it was the Bruins who could have negotiated something longer term and avoided the adversarial positioning of arbitration. Swayman's number during negotiations was 4.8mil.

They give him 4 or 5 years at 5-6 and they'd be in a good spot right now and without the bad blood of the business.

Would you have salary dumped Coyle or Hampus in that scenario? Because we didn’t have that kind of space.

 

[Over the volcano]

Would you have salary dumped Coyle or Hampus in that scenario? Because we didn’t have that kind of space.

Or Ullmark for a better package than what they got this year? I dunno - just sayin this trouble was Bruin back then when they chose the hard way.

 

[BMC]

I'm beginning to think Sweeney saw this coming, hence the Trade for adding Korpisalo on top of Ottawa's 1st rd pick

I'm no fan of Sweeney but I think you're right, Sweeney anticipated that dealing with Gross would be difficult & wanted to be prepared for Swayman to not be around for the beginning of the season.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Or Ullmark for a better package than what they got this year? I dunno - just sayin this trouble was Bruin back then when they chose the hard way.

Again a pretty big assumption that Swayman would have wanted to sign a deal that low.

 

[Over the volcano]

Again a pretty big assumption that Swayman would have wanted to sign a deal that low.

That was the number from his side during arbitration

 

[Nothingbutglass]

I'm no fan of Sweeney but I think you're right, Sweeney anticipated that dealing with Gross would be difficult & wanted to be prepared for Swayman to not be around for the beginning of the season.

I dunno about that plan. If it works out, its 4D chess but Korpi was horrid last season

 

[PaulD]

I think the situation sucks. Sway was lights out. The ink should have been dry once Ullmark was moved. But him not chomping at the bit to be the #1 win a Vezina fight for the Cup be a leader after we traded his hug buddy is enough for me to do a 180 and say F him.

I don’t trust him to not regress big time after all the drama he’s chosen to create upon himself as well.

Could not agree more

 

[EverettMike]

People are obviously correct the arbitration process/the evidence the Bruins presented upset Swayman.

People are obviously wrong he couldn't handle the arbitration process. He responded by making the All Star team and being the best goalie in the playoffs.

Whether he was upset personally, professionally, or both it didn't matter, he responded like an absolute professional.

 

[PaulD]

I feel like your posts are a bit at odds with each other.

Goalies don't return a lot in general. Now we have a goalie that you think isn't the end of the world if they trade him AND they are at a barganing disadvantage since it's clear there are issues between the team and him so teams know you have to deal him (if we are presuming that they are looking to trade him). With those things in mind, you aren't going to get a "great" player.

You are going to get some package of prospects/picks and a cap dump.

I hear ya. That scenario is viable I suppose.
Being there is a shortage of goalies these days I think Swayman would being back a decent top 4 D or 2nd line winger. And Bruins would pay that guy less than the ego maniac Swayman is demanding. Freeing up some cap space.
I was impressed by Swayman......but he us not up there with Shesterkin, Vassy, Bob, Sorokin, Oettginger,etc. He just thinks he is.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

That was the number from his side during arbitration

Not for 5 to 6 years

 

[BMC]

I dunno about that plan. If it works out, its 4D chess but Korpi was horrid last season

I trust in Goalie Bob.

 

[UConn126]

I think the situation sucks. Sway was lights out. The ink should have been dry once Ullmark was moved. But him not chomping at the bit to be the #1 win a Vezina fight for the Cup be a leader after we traded his hug buddy is enough for me to do a 180 and say F him.

I don’t trust him to not regress big time after all the drama he’s chosen to create upon himself as well.

Yeah I'm really souring on the player. If he actually signs here he'll be one bad game away from being one of the most hated athletes in town.

 

[Dizzay]

Not for 5 to 6 years

You seem to know a lot about everything.......so not sure why the board isn't asking you, almighty one, what happens in this situation? What's the outcome?

 

[UncleRico]

we will see if he's that.
All I'm saying it ain't rhe end of the world to lose a Jeremy Swayman.
This ain't Shesterkin we are talking about here.

If the bruins go from swayman/Ullmark to korpisalo/bussi…

Not even exaggerating that’s in contention to go from best goalie combo in the league to the worst.

 

[UConn126]

What trade scenarios would you like to see for Swayman if it comes down to it?

I'd like to see something around Keller and a 1st ( Bruins sending Swayman and Zacha to Arizona ).

I think we're adding the first if it's Swayman for Keller. I like that concept though. Maybe Swayman + Lysell + Geekie (I think Utah has his brother's rights) for Keller.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

You seem to know a lot about everything.......so not sure why the board isn't asking you, almighty one, what happens in this situation? What's the outcome?

Still wondering if you think the NHLPA is a union or not.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You seem to know a lot about everything.......so not sure why the board isn't asking you, almighty one, what happens in this situation? What's the outcome?

Do you think Swayman would have accepted a long term deal at $4.8M last year?

 

[Over the volcano]

Not for 5 to 6 years

Yeah I was figuring it'd be something like 5-6 mil (Ullmarkish money and more than he was asking for in arbitration) to get it to 4-5 years (2-3 years beyond what than the team could just select in arbitration)

 

[Dr Quincy]

Id expect half that coming back

Yeah I don't see UTA dealing Keller, he's the face of their team. Would be 1 of Vejmelka or Ingram and one of their better prospects. I'd say But but (no pun intended) I don't think the B's are interested in Russians.

 

[PB37]

That's overly specific criteria, but for stats and games played, Sorokin is the best comp

Sorokin signed a bridge deal for his 3rd career contract.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Would you have salary dumped Coyle or Hampus in that scenario? Because we didn’t have that kind of space.

Don't sign Geekie. Don't sign Lucic, JVR and Shattenkirk(not that these guys made a lot but the 200k you save on replacing each one adds up), waive Forbort- those changes fit the differences w/ Sway at his 2023-24 number and if they'd signed him for 6.

Last year:
Marchand-Zacha-Pasta
Debrusk-Coyle-Lysell
Brazeau-Poitras-Heinen
Laukko-Beecher-Boqvist
Brown
Gryz-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Peake
Wotherspoon

Could've also waived Gryz at the beginning of the year and see if someone takes him. Would they have been worse last year? Sure.

I'm no fan of Sweeney but I think you're right, Sweeney anticipated that dealing with Gross would be difficult & wanted to be prepared for Swayman to not be around for the beginning of the season.

If that was the case they would've asked for Forsberg instead of Korpisalo. Lower salary, only 1 year and better goalie. Korpisalo was in this deal for one reason and it had nothing to do with Boston and everything to do with Ottawa wanting to get rid of the commitment to him.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Don't sign Geekie. Don't sign Lucic, JVR and Shattenkirk(not that these guys made a lot but the 200k you save on replacing each one adds up), waive Forbort- those changes fit the differences w/ Sway at his 2023-24 number and if they'd signed him for 6.

Last year:
Marchand-Zacha-Pasta
Debrusk-Coyle-Lysell
Brazeau-Poitras-Heinen
Laukko-Beecher-Boqvist
Brown
Gryz-McAvoy
Lindholm-Carlo
Lohrei-Peake
Wotherspoon

Could've also waived Gryz at the beginning of the year and see if someone takes him. Would they have been worse last year? Sure.


If that was the case they would've asked for Forsberg instead of Korpisalo. Lower salary, only 1 year and better goalie.

Well…Brazeau and Boqvist weren’t even on the team to start the year. Wotherspoon also wasn’t on the team to start the year. Quite a leap - especially with Brazeau - to just place them in the starting lineup at the beginning of the year. Allowing yourself perfect hindsight.

Not as much as Peeke of course, since we traded for him in February.

And that’s all assuming Swayman would have wanted to lock in at that rate which is dubious at best.

 

[Hookslide]

How could you say that? What if Swayman doesn’t like that number?

Well your right, I wouldn't sign him for that number, but just that it was close enough that it gives us a signing, and too be honest if he did refuse to sign at that number, Siberia is nice at in the middle of the winter.