Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman -neither elect arbitration (page 16)

[nORRis8]

I see 7 for 7.
Decent raise for a goalie who has been sharing duties for the last 2 years.

 

[RustyBruins72]

Who is that?

My first guess was Gustavsson. Essennsa makes sense.

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

I don't think they listed where they heard it themselves

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This would be really dumb.

 

[Ladyfan]

My first guess was Gustavsson. Essennsa makes sense.

It defiantly is Bob E. I was sitting next to him. All of the players got a kick out of him sitting there as backup.

 

[Dr Quincy]

This is silly. If he keeps Ullmark, he doesn’t get a first round pick this year and isn’t able to sign Zadorov or Lindholm without leaving no space for Swayman. And then when Ullmark updates his list, you have nowhere to trade him to. You only keep Ullmark if you’re trading Swayman.

The idea that just because Swayman hasn’t signed (along with every other significant RFA by the way) means Sweeney sucks at his job and has bungled this is incredibly ignorant.

Not true. They can be about $9m over the cap in the summer if they want. Plenty of time to address a whopping $2m difference between Korpisalo and Ullmark.

Don't sign Max Jones and go with someone else from PRO.
Waive/trade Peake and go with Wotherspoon and Regula as 6 & 7 (or sign any of a number of cheap guys as a #7 instead of Regula.)

It can be debated if Korpisalo + Peake would be better than Ullmark + Wotherspoon, but it's factually inaccurate to say that they wouldn't have room to sign Swayman.

Another solution would have been to not take back a bad contract.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Owners.
Players.
2 sides of the same coin.
It’s always about the money.

Sure, if one side of the coin is always faced up and not grinding it’s metal into the ground over the years and making comparatively far more

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Not true. They can be about $9m over the cap in the summer if they want. Plenty of time to address a whopping $2m difference between Korpisalo and Ullmark.

Don't sign Max Jones and go with someone else from PRO.
Waive/trade Peake and go with Wotherspoon and Regula as 6 & 7 (or sign any of a number of cheap guys as a #7 instead of Regula.)

It can be debated if Korpisalo + Peake would be better than Ullmark + Wotherspoon, but it's factually inaccurate to say that they wouldn't have room to sign Swayman.

Another solution would have been to not take back a bad contract.

I mean sure - they could have traded Geekie or Zacha or Coyle too. But then doesn’t that bring back the same issue the was originally talked about - having no leverage because other teams know you have to make a deal?

 

[Dr Quincy]

I mean sure - they could have traded Geekie or Zacha or Coyle too. But then doesn’t that bring back the same issue the was originally talked about - having no leverage because other teams know you have to make a deal?

You claim someone makes a silly argument and call them ignorant...

and then you try to compare Zacha and Coyle to Max Jones and Andrew Peake.


You were either wrong about not fitting Swayman or you knew they could be over the cap but it didn't fit your argument. $2m at most doesn't require clearing $5m.

Simple math that even you and a Harvard grad should be able to figure out. I would've thought anyway. Maybe not.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You claim someone makes a silly argument and call them ignorant...

and then you try to compare Zacha and Coyle to Max Jones and Andrew Peake.


You were either wrong about not fitting Swayman or you knew they could be over the cap but it didn't fit your argument. $2m at most doesn't require clearing $5m.

Simple math that even you and a Harvard grad should be able to figure out. I would've thought anyway. Maybe not.

Ok. Walk me through how much cap not signing Max Jones saves you.

 

[Btown]

I like 7x7

Sounds fair. Looks fair. Get er Done!

 

[EverettMike]

I don't see Swayman agreeing to a long-term deal unless he gets huge money, like something starting with an 8 at least. And that makes sense.

My bet is he's willing to sign for an AAV under 6 if it's only for 3-4 years, but the Bs don't want do that for obvious reasons.

 

[goldenblack]

8 million for 5 years is what I figure

 

[JoeIsAStud]

8 million for 5 years is what I figure

If the money starts with an 8 the term needs to be 8

 

[Dizzay]

How do you give a goalie 8 million when he hasn't cracked 45 regular season games in a season and has played in two playoff rounds?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

How do you give a goalie 8 million when he hasn't cracked 45 regular season games in a season and has played in two playoff rounds?

If he was a UFA this year what do you think he’d get as a contract?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

If he was a UFA this year what do you think he’d get as a contract?

Never what we expect

 

[yazmybaby]

This would be really dumb.

I do not know enough about these two prospects to comment intelligently.
Maybe Dom can comment on their floor and ceiling?

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

How do you give a goalie 8 million when he hasn't cracked 45 regular season games in a season and has played in two playoff rounds?

You don't, that's why he isn't signed if that's his demand. Frankly no way I would be paying him that.

Still say 7 is the number for three years

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I don't see Swayman agreeing to a long-term deal unless he gets huge money, like something starting with an 8 at least. And that makes sense.

My bet is he's willing to sign for an AAV under 6 if it's only for 3-4 years, but the Bs don't want do that for obvious reasons.

Just curious on why the B's would not do the 3-4 years at a reasonable deal? I think that's a risk they would take considering his work load to date.

 

[BruinDust]

Give him the Sorokin deal. 8 years at 8.25 per.

 

[Hookslide]

Give him the Sorokin deal. 8 years at 8.25 per.

Hell no.....

 

[Dr Quincy]

Just curious on why the B's would not do the 3-4 years at a reasonable deal? I think that's a risk they would take considering his work load to date.

3 years only buys 1 year of UFA. Contracts ends with him a 28 year old UFA ready to cash in.

 

[the negotiator]

Hell no.....

8x8.25 was my prediction months ago

People may not like it but after the Ullmark trade I think something starting with 8 became even more likely

at 8/8.25 I want more than 5 years I want the maximum contract length

To me the real questions are around
- no move coverage
- the allocation of base salary and signing bonus - a topic increasingly relevant with another potential lock-out looming in a couple of years

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

keep it simple, 8x8 is a steal

 

[Drift]

keep it simple, 8x8 is a steal

This is what I have been expecting, lets get this signed already