Player Discussion Jeremy Swayman III- still nothing

[Number8]

Sounds to me like the insiders know about as much about these negotiations as my asshole. And my asshole is particularly ignorant.

Mine is brilliant. Just saying. That said, I’m very partial to it and not entirely objective.

 

[DominicT]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/4950725/2023/10/11/jeremy-swayman-arbitration-bruins/

“It’s all based on statistics,” Swayman said. “The comparables are different from what you want to hear. Some of the things they pull up aren’t necessarily true, for that matter.”

I mean maybe it just comes down to them not being truthful? Bruins also countered with a number of 2 million. Insulting. Please. 47-20-7 in the previous two years and they are offering Vladar money. Garbage, Add the two up and I'm sure it has more to do with that then them picking on him.

Official NHL statistics aren't true?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

Official NHL statistics aren't true?

Dunno what he was saying in context to what, we weren't there, but after the Miller fiasco I'm not trusting this brass to tell the truth and will side with Jeremy. I mean who had Swayman's comparable stats to come up with 2 mil per?

 

[Dr Quincy]

Official NHL statistics aren't true?

Depends on how you use them. For example, I could say that the year Matt Poitras had 95 pts in the OHL, Matvey Petrov had 93, so therefor they are clearly comparable prospects.

Yet I think you'd disgree with that. Stats can be shaded in all sorts of way, especially when you are picking some stats to look at and some stats to ignore.

 

[wintersej]

once again 7.5-7.75M is the number x 3 or 4. I'd g 8 years, but he won't so that's that.

That just so much higher than any of the recent elite goalies have gotten, even adjusted by cap hit percentage. I don’t buy it.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I have to admit the entertainment value of this thread has been fantastic

 

[Pia8988]

That just so much higher than any of the recent elite goalies have gotten, even adjusted by cap hit percentage. I don’t buy it.

We have also been in an era of a pretty stagnant cap

 

[wintersej]

We have also been in an era of a pretty stagnant cap

I mean Helly and Saros signed their contracts at 25/26 years old like Swayman pre-COVID.

 

[Pia8988]

I mean Helly and Saros signed their contracts at 25/26 years old like Swayman pre-COVID.

So deals signed in 2018 should be the benchmark for a deal signed in 2024?

Only sport where a deal signed 6 years ago is the benchmark for today.

 

[DominicT]

Depends on how you use them. For example, I could say that the year Matt Poitras had 95 pts in the OHL, Matvey Petrov had 93, so therefor they are clearly comparable prospects.

Yet I think you'd disgree with that. Stats can be shaded in all sorts of way, especially when you are picking some stats to look at and some stats to ignore.

No you couldn't say that. But you already know that.

Gross put in his ask. The Bruins, knowing the arbitrator would come in basically down the middle, put in their offer so that the arbitrators decision would come in at a number they could manage.

Gross went for the win where everyone, including every knowledgeable person here knew what the award would come in at.

And again, Gross knew what happens in these cases, yet Swayman was still caught off guard.

Those are the only facts we know.

 

[PaulD]

This is exactly what they did. You know why? Because despite your incorrect claim that Gryz was playing first pairing minutes with McAvoy in the playoffs, in reality, Gryz was logging 3rd pairing minutes and has been his entire time in Boston. Last year he played around 17:30 a night. The year before, 17:15. The year before just over 18. He wasn't logging heavy first or second pairing minutes. He was a bottom of the roster type. Which is what Zadorov has been his entire career. Now the big question is will someone more physical make a difference? Time will tell.

Yes it will. Gryzlek sucks and he's not physical . Plus he's tiny.
It's an improvement. Without question.

 

[Dr Quincy]

No you couldn't say that. But you already know that.

Gross put in his ask. The Bruins, knowing the arbitrator would come in basically down the middle, put in their offer so that the arbitrators decision would come in at a number they could manage.

Gross went for the win where everyone, including every knowledgeable person here knew what the award would come in at.

And again, Gross knew what happens in these cases, yet Swayman was still caught off guard.

Those are the only facts we know.

And Sweeney knows that when you play hardball with a player and offer him $2m when you know he's worth more, and then trade away the only other goalie option you have while your main guy is unsigned... that you've just dealt away your leverage.

So there should be no whining or complaining about the player and his agent doing what's right for them. Someone should've prepared Donnie for the hard facts of business instead of being caught offguard.

Oh... and are you saying the OHL lies about its stats?

 

[Nothingbutglass]

And Sweeney knows that when you play hardball with a player and offer him $2m when you know he's worth more, and then trade away the only other goalie option you have while your main guy is unsigned... that you've just dealt away your leverage.

So there should be no whining or complaining about the player and his agent doing what's right for them. Someone should've prepared Donnie for the hard facts of business instead of being caught offguard.

Oh... and are you saying the OHL lies about its stats?

What leverage? Hes a RFA. You think hes playing in Europe or sitting out? You think Bruins will give him more if B's goalies are .890 after 10 games?

 

[SwayHeyKid]

No you couldn't say that. But you already know that.

Gross put in his ask. The Bruins, knowing the arbitrator would come in basically down the middle, put in their offer so that the arbitrators decision would come in at a number they could manage.

Gross went for the win where everyone, including every knowledgeable person here knew what the award would come in at.

And again, Gross knew what happens in these cases, yet Swayman was still caught off guard.

Those are the only facts we know.

He read the briefs, He wasn't off guard. He didn't like the comparables and why should he? He's human. It's ok to feel insulted even if you know it's part of the process. the last part of the article is funny.

“Every opportunity is right in front of him to grab a hold of,” said Sweeney, “and find a level of compensation and contract that will really make him happy.”

Pony up Bruins.

 

[BlackFrancis]

And Sweeney knows that when you play hardball with a player and offer him $2m when you know he's worth more, and then trade away the only other goalie option you have while your main guy is unsigned... that you've just dealt away your leverage.

So there should be no whining or complaining about the player and his agent doing what's right for them. Someone should've prepared Donnie for the hard facts of business instead of being caught offguard.

Oh... and are you saying the OHL lies about its stats?

I think you're attributing whining and complaining to the wrong party, unless you're just talking about HFBruins or something.

 

[SwayHeyKid]

What leverage? Hes a RFA. You think hes playing in Europe or sitting out? You think Bruins will give him more if B's goalies are .890 after 10 games?

again with the nickel and diming. Pay the man. 8 x 6 is ridiculous.

 

[Nothingbutglass]

again with the nickel and diming. Pay the man. 8 x 6 is ridiculous.

Nickel and diming? Its business. His leverage is limited by the CBA. I dont think his agent is helping at all. 8x10 is also ridiculous. Im in the short term deal camp and then figure out if you really want to stay together.

 

[DominicT]

And Sweeney knows that when you play hardball with a player and offer him $2m when you know he's worth more, and then trade away the only other goalie option you have while your main guy is unsigned... that you've just dealt away your leverage.

So there should be no whining or complaining about the player and his agent doing what's right for them. Someone should've prepared Donnie for the hard facts of business instead of being caught offguard.

Oh... and are you saying the OHL lies about its stats?

You are all over the place Doc.

I was talking arbitration and you brought up OHL stats. Those are not admisable stats.

Anyway, I'm just gonna go back to reading this thread. It was more entertaining that way.

I have always believed Swayman should get paid and will go back to waiting to see how it turns out. Just not going to debate all the rumors of which none have been verified to this point.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

 

[KrejciMVP]

again with the nickel and diming. Pay the man. 8 x 6 is ridiculous.

Should RFA negotiations be abolished all together and Swayman can demand anything, forget the team and cap management? News rules for Sway the GOAT

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

You are all over the place Doc.

I was talking arbitration and you brought up OHL stats. Those are not admisable stats.

Anyway, I'm just gonna go back to reading this thread. It was more entertaining that way.

I have always believed Swayman should get paid and will go back to waiting to see how it turns out. Just not going to debate all the rumors of which none have been verified to this point.

Sorry to bring you into it but I quite enjoyed your diatribe against Gross and I’m not afraid to say it.

 

[goldenblack]

hey I've been gone over a week. Someone fill me on all the drama i missed, point form? Seems like things got a bit public?

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

hey I've been gone over a week. Someone fill me on all the drama i missed, point form? Seems like things got a bit public?

I think this sums it up better than any point by point breakdown:

 

[SwayHeyKid]

I don’t understand all the angst towards an agent trying to get his client what he deserves? I mean we all watch hockey for the players no? Is 1-1.5 mil more for a core piece a big deal? There has been more angst shown to Swayman for trying to get his than taking on a horrible contract in Korpisalo.

Should RFA negotiations be abolished all together and Swayman can demand anything, forget the team and cap management? News rules for Sway the GOAT

Core piece, long term fixture, 25 year old goalie who has the balls and moxie to bring this team places. 8x6 is insulting not negotiating

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Curious....define long term ...... 5 years? 6?

6 or more.