We hope.
As much as they need him in Buffalo now they’d be wise to let him play with the Amerks next season.
Proposal: Jeremy Swayman for Casey Mittlestadt, Isak Rosen and a 2nd.
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As much as they need him in Buffalo now they’d be wise to let him play with the Amerks next season.
wintersej
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I think Swayman is looking closer to 3 million than 4 million. If Oettinger is the comp, Swayman has had a smaller role with less playoff success.
BigBadBruins7708
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This.
I deal Ullmark at the peak of his value, move Swayman to starter and free up cap space.
AhosDatsyukian
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I don't see them moving a goalie or needing to but yeah if they're trading one trade the guy who is at his peak value and older.
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Meh. Keep 'em. The Bruins have Fabian Lysell who was drafted at the same time as Rosen and is putting up a better year in the AHL and I'd say he's developing about where he should be for a mid-20s first rounder. A guy picked 14th should be looking better, not worse than him.
As for Middlestadt, he has well-documented issues with his work ethic. He's on pace for 49-points this year and currently playing on 3rd line so "will score 50+ this year" is overstating things. He also ranks at the bottom of the league defensively and racks up points on the PP. So he's not a 3rd line center and he's not a top-6 center. Exactly why do I want him at all? I'd rather sign a guy like Erik Haula for $2.5m in the offseason.
Admittedly, goalie values are tough to pin down but I don't see why the Bruins have to do anything. The absolute most that Swayman will make is $4m x 3 like Oettinger. I'd rather have two great goalies.
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Why would Boston trade Swayman for anything less?
Colt.45Orr
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Kulich is the price for me but it makes no sense to move Swayman to an upcoming divisional rival.
See Rask/Leafs.
See Rask/Leafs.
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Why wouldn’t the Sabres just offer sheet him at 4.2m aav for the cost of a 2nd?
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Bruins fans - two questions - is he available and what is the realistic price tag?
If available, I could see the Penguins being interested.
If available, I could see the Penguins being interested.
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Swayman has a ton of value to the Bruins. Even with Ullmark's jump to top-echelon 'tending, Swayman isn't that far behind. Using Moneypuck's interpretation of the metric, Sway is #2 in the NHL in GSAA/min (behind Linus and just ahead of this year's other big studs: Saros, Sorokin and Gustavsson among double-digit starters.
It's not just a one-off, either. Despite being middle-of-the pack in that accounting last season (24th among double-digit starters) he was #2 in a short stint in 2020-21.
He's not worth Cozens... let's get that out of the way. Goalie value is eminently hard to pin down and consistent, top-tier goalies with a proven track record (almost) never move.
But when you look at deals where promising starters with a modest (but impressive) track record are shipped (talking Varlamov-to-Colorado, Schneider-to-NJD)... the return seems to be about the value of an early-to-mid 1st. Cozens has to improve defensively, but top-six centers with high offensive ceilings signed long-term are sublimely valuable. Sway could wind up the better asset, but no question I'd take Cozens over him at this point.
I wouldn't want to get rid of 1/2 of the Mighty Hug Tandem... and even less so to a division rival... but if Buffalo offered a package around Kulich or their non-lottery-winning '23 1st, I'd be listening.
It's not just a one-off, either. Despite being middle-of-the pack in that accounting last season (24th among double-digit starters) he was #2 in a short stint in 2020-21.
He's not worth Cozens... let's get that out of the way. Goalie value is eminently hard to pin down and consistent, top-tier goalies with a proven track record (almost) never move.
But when you look at deals where promising starters with a modest (but impressive) track record are shipped (talking Varlamov-to-Colorado, Schneider-to-NJD)... the return seems to be about the value of an early-to-mid 1st. Cozens has to improve defensively, but top-six centers with high offensive ceilings signed long-term are sublimely valuable. Sway could wind up the better asset, but no question I'd take Cozens over him at this point.
I wouldn't want to get rid of 1/2 of the Mighty Hug Tandem... and even less so to a division rival... but if Buffalo offered a package around Kulich or their non-lottery-winning '23 1st, I'd be listening.
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If Bergeron/Krejci return for the Last Dance sequel and Swayman's agent is asking for too much, it could be an option. The Bruins would need cap savings (probably in the form of whoever it is taking back Forbort/Reilly+) and then a replacement low-cost G (or the draft/prospect capital to acquire one) then add in a quality middle-six forward on a cheap deal - preferably a center, preferably u-25.
I believe it's more likely the 1C-2C greybeards retire and Boston keeps their u-25 stud goalie of the future. In that case, they only way I see someone prying Swayman away is with a 6-15 pick 1st or a projectable top six center prospect a year or two away at most.
Been wrong many times though. Wonder what other fans see Sway as long-term and value wise.
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25K posts and this is the fruit of your years here?
I'm pretty sure Ullmark has told Swayman to avoid Buffalo at all costs. So it's not a good trade partner to begin with.
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That's what it ended up being, but the time of transaction it was for a pick that could have been anything. So not the same, the players in these proposals are more known quantities.
It'll be interesting if the Spencer Knight extension (3x4.5) changes the market.
I wondered about that scenario in an earlier post. It depends on Swayman's mindset. He could be very happy with his situation in Boston and could use the threat of an offer sheet to get a similar deal without having to sign an offer sheet. Montreal approached Brayden Point with an offer but Point politely declined. Montreal pivoted to Sebastian Aho who was open to signing.
The other issue is timing. Say you offer sheet Swayman on July 1. Boston would get a week to match, at which point Buffalo is in purgatory while the rest of the goalie market falls into place. If Boston waited the full week to match (which is customary), Buffalo would then be stuck with the leftover options on July 8.
Boston would probably like to get Swayman extended for cheaper, but they could probably work with a 4.2 mil AAV.
Why are you being so weird about this? It's a dogshit trade. Buffalo would say no. And if they said yes, their GM would get beheaded and paraded around the streets of Buffalo.
Bruins match and keep their future franchise goaltender at a bargain rate.
Swayman and Levi would be an excellent tandem for Buff.
As a Canucks fan, we’d love to get UPL to back up Demko.
As a Canucks fan, we’d love to get UPL to back up Demko.
A1LeafNation
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This isn't an iffy goalie like most of them. It's a highly touted prospect who then has played elite hockey in the NHL.
Bruins don't need anything other than a high end C, so don't see them accepting anything less. Bruins don't need to trade a goalie, Buffalo needs to trade for a goalie.
That's how I see it.
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I’m pretty sure you’ve got no idea what you’re talking about.
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Aquiring Swayman requires more value going to Boston. Even if he's the backup for the next 2 or 3 years, Mitts plus isn't something the Bruins really need.
Lysell - the guy who was a black hole of offense at the WJC this year when Rosen put up points? I watched Lysell and he’s fine at making plays on his own and then coughing up the puck/not using his teammates at all - was not good at all at anything beyond that. Lots of individual flash with no substance/ production.
Also mittelstadt has had no recent questions on work ethic so not sure where you are getting that? He is in very good shape and was so last year before unfortunately getting tons of injuries. Also not sure what you mean by your 49 pt 3rd line comment - isn’t 49 in the range of 50 with 12 games left? If he’s better than a 3 but not a true 2 - isn’t that middle 6? Seems like a lot of words to say nothing…
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Ok, but Lysell is outscoring Rosen by a wide margin in the AHL.
Also, you can actually look up how many points Mittelstadt has and what the words 'on pace' mean.
I don't have any real huge issue with most of your post, but I have no idea where this: "well documented issues of Mittelstadt's work ethic" narrative is coming from. If anything I'd say the opposite. He's put a ton of work into becoming a better skater and becoming much stronger on the puck particularly along the boards. He's grown by leaps and bounds in his time here. Now with that said the Sabres have an absolutely stacked pipeline of forwards so he could easily be one of the odd men out going forward.
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