Jennifer Botterill is the worst analyst AINEC

[Cotton Eye Joe]

Wouldn't doubt Mayers has post concussion effects. Little logic to his words.
I sure hope Sportsnet doesn't send him to Winnipeg again this year. Will not go well.

 

[Jaytee]

That's not to say her opinion isn't valid, but her being a "professional" hockey player really doesn't make her any more knowledgeable than your average poster on this site.

Jennifer Botterill (no "h" - the OP should learn to spell before posting) is a "professional" hockey player the way that Connor McDavid is a "professional" hockey player.

The quotation marks around professional are incredibly condescending and rude. They imply that men are REAL professionals, whereas women are, you know "professional"...

There's not a chance in hell the person who posted this would have put quotation marks around "professional" if they were referring to a male, even at a level below the NHL; nobody calls AHL players "professionals" - they get paid, they're professionals. Full stop.

It might be a good thing to sit and think about why you did this.

 

[JKG33]

Jennifer Botterill (no "h" - the OP should learn to spell before posting) is a "professional" hockey player the way that Connor McDavid is a "professional" hockey player.

The quotation marks around professional are incredibly condescending and rude. They imply that men are REAL professionals, whereas women are, you know "professional"...

There's not a chance in hell the person who posted this would have put quotation marks around "professional" if they were referring to a male, even at a level below the NHL; nobody calls AHL players "professionals" - they get paid, they're professionals. Full stop.

It might be a good thing to sit and think about why you did this.

One group of professionals is the best in the world at what they do. The other loses to teenage boys. I'm not really sure what else there is to say

 

[Thallis]

Imagine if you hired someone to build you a house, and their entire construction experience was building sand castles. Really nice sand castles sure, but it certainly ain't the same as real construction.

That's not to say her opinion isn't valid, but her being a "professional" hockey player really doesn't make her any more knowledgeable than your average poster on this site.

She's not being hired to build the house, she's hired to explain the architecture to lay people. You don't need to have built a house to do a good job with that.

 

[JKG33]

She's not being hired to build the house, she's hired to explain the architecture to lay people. You don't need to have built a house to do a good job with that.

Fair point, those that can't do, teach (and I say this as someone that was a goalie coach lol)

However I'd hope the architecture explanation could be done without nearly crying

 

[Jaytee]

One group of professionals is the best in the world at what they do. The other loses to teenage boys. I'm not really sure what else there is to say

And yet you keep talking.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

That's not to say her opinion isn't valid, but her being a "professional" hockey player really doesn't make her any more knowledgeable than your average poster on this site.

She's more knowledgeable about hockey than 99%+ of the posters on this site. You and me included (and I'm a fellow goalie coach).

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

One group of professionals is the best in the world at what they do. The other loses to teenage boys. I'm not really sure what else there is to say

They still know more about hockey than you.

 

[JKG33]

She's more knowledgeable about hockey than 99%+ of the posters on this site. You and me included (and I'm a fellow goalie coach).

I mean she got hired to talk on national broadcasts, obviously that means something. But where I was going with that is her resume as a womens hockey player doesn't add anything more to her qualifications than the average poster here. Certainly not compared to NHLers who have played the game at full contact the majority of their lives.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

I mean she got hired to talk on national broadcasts, obviously that means something. But where I was going with that is her resume as a womens hockey player doesn't add anything more to her qualifications than the average poster here. Certainly not compared to NHLers who have played the game at full contact the majority of their lives.

Dunning-Kruger tells me that I could try and explain this to you but would fail, so I'll just nod and tell you that I'm sure you know quite a bit of hockey.

Don't injure yourself patting yourself on the back while dropping the "I respect the gals as much as anyone, but..." lines.

 

[JKG33]

Dunning-Kruger tells me that I could try and explain this to you but would fail, so I'll just nod and tell you that I'm sure you know quite a bit of hockey.

Don't injure yourself patting yourself on the back while dropping the "I respect the gals as much as anyone, but..." lines.

Playing even mid level high school boys hockey is more comparable to the NHL than the different version of hockey the women play. Full stop.

I'm not sure where you got that line from. You can accuse me of a lot of things, but pandering like that certainly ain't one.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Playing even mid level high school boys hockey is more comparable to the NHL than the different version of hockey the women play. Full stop.

I'm not sure where you got that line from. You can accuse me of a lot of things, but pandering like that certainly ain't one.

<nodding> I'm sure that you know quite a bit of hockey.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don’t seee the problem. Absolute disgusting play by Hartman. I say this as someone who hates the jets

Men complaining about women making valid points because they are in positions of power. Welcome to the 21st century. If you think misogyny is a thing of the past take a peak at the PWHL thread

Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?

I don’t seee the problem. Absolute disgusting play by Hartman. I say this as someone who hates the jets

Men complaining about women making valid points because they are in positions of power. Welcome to the 21st century. If you think misogyny is a thing of the past take a peak at the PWHL thread

Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?

I don’t seee the problem. Absolute disgusting play by Hartman. I say this as someone who hates the jets

Men complaining about women making valid points because they are in positions of power. Welcome to the 21st century. If you think misogyny is a thing of the past take a peak at the PWHL thread

Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?



Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?



Saying that the NHL is a better product is misogyny?

You spek English?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

You spek English?

I'm referring to the PWHL thread reference.

 

[hotpaws]

Botteril constantly getting all worked up , flustered and near tears doesn't help her make a point .

Pounder is head and shoulders above her and her opinions i'd put with right up there with the best of the men .

 

[BB79]

One group of professionals is the best in the world at what they do. The other loses to teenage boys. I'm not really sure what else there is to say

I thought that was the US women's soccer team?

 

[BB79]

Botteril constantly getting all worked up , flustered and near tears doesn't help her make a point .

Pounder is head and shoulders above her and her opinions i'd put with right up there with the best of the men .

I wasn't familiar and saw enough people speaking highly of her so I watched some clips with her (Pounder). I agree, she seems knowledgeable and down to earth. Pleasant voice too. I can see why people like her

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

One group of professionals is the best in the world at what they do. The other loses to teenage boys. I'm not really sure what else there is to say

I think you’ve said enough.

Is Carlo Coliacovo or Kevin Bieskaa going to be a better or worse broadcaster than Gretzky because he wasn’t as good a player?

Bob Mackenzie never played hockey at any level and yet is considered one of the most respected analysts in the game.

 

[Skiiiiiiinerrr]

I like Botterill. I also agree with her on this. Once again the thing that bugs me most is the crowd of people who just can't wait to come in throwing the "misogyny" around. Always the first thing you see now. Some sort of 'ist"or "ism" is always the first thing launched when someone doesn't like something or someone. Just like me hating a bunch of shitty male broadcasters doesn't make me a misandrist. People need to stop doing this shit.

This is exactly how I see it. There's definitely examples of ppl doing those things. We all know it. But it's become the go-to accusatory tactic. It is a disservice to actually stamping that out. It's based in something good (because hating ppl based on shit like gender, skin colour, etc is obviously categorically stupid and wrong) but becomes this.. god, I dunno what it becomes, but you see the accusations thrown around. It's hard trying to navigate that.

 

[JKG33]

I think you’ve said enough.

Is Carlo Coliacovo or Kevin Bieskaa going to be a better or worse broadcaster than Gretzky because he wasn’t as good a player?

Bob Mackenzie never played hockey at any level and yet is considered one of the most respected analysts in the game.

Their abilities relative to Gretzky are irrelevant because they spent significant time playing in the league they're covering. Once you get to that level the time and experience becomes more important than the talent, as far as relating to intermission panelist goes.

Bobby Mac allegedly played junior hockey so that one doesn't work. Bob McKenzie at eliteprospects.com Also I'd say him dedicating his whole life to covering hockey makes him more qualified than someone who played a very different game.

 

[BTO]

This is the issue with female commentators and analysts in ice hockey. It's not the same thing as in most others, where the rules are the same. Women play a completely different sport, non-contact. Even if she has played the game, she doesn't have any perspective of how the game actually gets played in men's games.

Unfortunately, these are just diversity hires. I have yet to hear a female ice hockey commentator who has actually brought something of value. Either it's opinions like these, or some completely obvious and noncommittal stuff, where you wonder why she even is there.


And note, I think that female commentators can work for many other sports. For example, in athletics or skiing, I've found them to be very insightful. Especially good for figure skating, as well. But for ice hockey? They haven't played the same sport as men since the men were like, 11 years old.

If it's true that she has not even played the sport at all, how is she more qualified for the job than some of the alternatives who have actually played it?

Cheryl Pounder on TSN (who else but TSN?) Should have been required viewing for Team Canada at the World Juniors.

 

[Fishy McScales]

This is exactly how I see it. There's definitely examples of ppl doing those things. We all know it. But it's become the go-to accusatory tactic. It is a disservice to actually stamping that out. It's based in something good (because hating ppl based on shit like gender, skin colour, etc is obviously categorically stupid and wrong) but becomes this.. god, I dunno what it becomes, but you see the accusations thrown around. It's hard trying to navigate that.

This thread has multiple examples of blatant sexism yet you elect to focus on people looking to get offended? Why would you do that exactly?

 

[Arthur Morgan]

You're out of your mind, as are all of the players who allow their teeth to be removed so easily. Teeth are an important part of your body and to lose them over something as stupid as hockey is a crime.

so what they make the big bucks for a reason, ill risk my teeth for the pay they get, hockey players losing teeth is a normal thing,

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Agree one hundred percent with the OP