Jennifer Botterill is the worst analyst AINEC

[Voight]

She believes that there has to be a better way..

The incident was Hartman on Perfetti for the Kaprizov stuff that should have been a suspension on Dillon. The issue here isn't that Botterill is wrong or right, it's the fact that she had to say anything and same for Mayers.

The issue is Department of Player Safety has largely f***ed up for a long time and even more so under George Parros. Dylan Larkin called out not feeling protected. Gudbranson was so angry at a dangerous hit he went after Cousins because the refs screwed up the call like Dillon's. Then they did it again for the Valimaki hit. Botterill is right by the way - in that there has to be a better way. Mayer's is wrong. The whole idea of DOPs and Officiating is to eliminate the need to want to go after players if these two entities do their f***ing jobs.

The nhlpa not saying shit about player safety is interesting as well, it's their own union members acting like f***ing idiots and the refs not doing their job and the dops not doing anything just compounds the problem. Some idiots will cry the sport is getting wimpy or some other moronic take that is very dated and dumb. The issue is the sport is getting cheated because they talked about wanted to eliminate dirty hits and acts in the game and then decided to not even call it on the ice correctly or punish the players properly for dirty hits.

The hate for Botterill, now that's some deeply rooted misogyny that is rampant on this board in the ugliest ways imaginable and is continuing to breed and mutate like a disgusting virus. Had it been Tie Domi saying what she said, no one would have as much of an issue and that's a fact.

& here we go....

Just because some people don't like Botterill and don't think she's a good analyst, does not mean they are misogynists.....

 

[Strangle]

So the 2 major criticisms I've seen hurled towards Jennifer are "she gets worked up" and "lack of experience"

I'll address the first one. I'm all for calm, collected debate. I think generally, it is the best approach.

That being said, Botterrill getting passionate does not in itself make the crux of her argument emotional or illogical. Just like how someone being calm and collected in the debate doesn't make their argument right. I'd say this was very much the case here.

Secondly, the topic of discussion involves a young skilled player with an injury history, being subjected to highsticking for retribution of something he had no involvement in.

Seriously, just think of that scenario in any other context. 2 workers in an office setting get in a spat and are unable to resolve their issues, then one of them decks some guy within their vicinity just minding their own business, Where is the logic in that?

It's so clearly unjust that I don't at all blame Botterrill for getting worked up in that situation. There are high stakes in terms of players physical wellbeing involved, and this was a sneaky, intentional high stick admitted by the player himself.

If Hartman wanted retribution that makes any sort of sense, go fight the guy that was involved in the play. Or if that can't happen, if your gonna target someone with a highstick... at least do it to the guy that injured your player.


Then there's the "lack of experience" which if anyone adhered to that type of logic there's no way of avoiding being a hypocrite. By your own logic, unless you've played a high level of hockey, then you really have no say in criticizing Botterrill here. Hell, extend that to other things in life. Don't like the food in a restaurant? Well, you're just a regular person that has no high level experience in the culinary arts.. don't like a movie? Too bad, did you even go to film school? And it can just go on and on and on.

I appreciate this post, I just wanted to add to it that I think her take on the issue is secondary to the reason this thread was created.

Some people are arguing about the take and that’s fair, but no one would ever claim someone is ‘the worst analyst’ because they took one side or the other on this incident. Either side has rational reasons for existing.

The real thing this thread is about is ‘uppity women’ not acting the way a few message board incels find acceptable for a woman to act

It’s really pretty gross.

If the thread was about the take itself, I’d feel a lot less gross about some of the members here, and my own participation over the years with them.

I already knew a lot of posters are brainless scrubs, you just learn that naturally by interacting with them from time to time. But this kind of thinking is actually gross.

Makes me feel dirty to hang out with a bunch of ‘men’ (boys? Little boys?) who don’t know how to act

 

[jungles]

A guy says his only issue with intentionally high sticking Perfetti is that he didn't choose to high stick a better player instead, and 28 pages about how Botterill is the one who sucks?

 

[HabzSauce]

Surprised so many are siding with Botertelli. She's so emotional. I saw that take live it was hilarious. And I like her btw I think she's great with Ron/Kelly/Elliot/Bieksa.

Hockey will always have that revenge/aggression aspect to it. Which is perfectly fine, that's hockey. It's a warzone out there with lots of testosterone.

 

[BLONG7]

Geez guys, so many worse than her.................relax.

Nick Kypreos comes to mind.........makes Botterill look Howie Meeker.

 

[BLONG7]

Surprised so many are siding with Botertelli. She's so emotional. I saw that take live it was hilarious. And I like her btw I think she's great with Ron/Kelly/Elliot/Bieksa.

Hockey will always have that revenge/aggression aspect to it. Which is perfectly fine, that's hockey. It's a warzone out there with lots of testosterone.

I agree with Jamal not Botterill, but she can be spot on some nights.....in the case of the issue they were discussing hard to not to side with the NHL guy, who understands better the code, so to speak.

 

[Leonardo87]

I think it’s time to move on, same banter going back and forth.

Have a bunch of games today/tonight to watch and I’m sure there will be some new thread worthy discussions or not, I honestly don’t know.