Value of: Jenner to a contender at 2024 TDL

[Gurglesons]

He probably would return a boatload.

 

[Schemp]

I think the Blue Jackets will surprise everyone and not only make the playoffs but do some damage...

 

[tunnelvision]

Seems more than a little silly as the Jackets have lots of really good assets already to work with.

I'm not sure if they have too many of them. They might need assets not only to acquire better players but also to get rid of bad contracts (Merzlikins, Gudbranson).

I'd think that would kind of tank his trade value, thus defeating the purpose of this exercise, so this condition would also have to include nobody else actually knowing about it.

So what would his value be then if everybody knew about it?

In short - while the preconditions are probably accurate, I also suspsect they're so wildly improbable as to be borderline absurd to contemplate.

Just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's absurd to have these kind of exercises, especially at this time of the year. My goal here is just to learn what people think his value would be and which teams could be interested in this hypothetical scenario.

Why is this even being brought up? Boone is happy.

Okay so you know already he would be totally content with staying in Columbus regardless of the circumstances. Thanks.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Okay so you know already he would be totally content with staying in Columbus regardless of the circumstances. Thanks.

I mean, if we're both assuming my assumption is way more likely...he re-signed, been an awesome captain, built a life in Columbus...

 

[Viqsi]

I'm not sure if they have too many of them. They might need assets not only to acquire better players but also to get rid of bad contracts (Merzlikins, Gudbranson).

Even if the front office had an appetite for that sort of approach (so far they haven't), there's a lot of other folks who are far more likely to be moved before Jenner.

So what would his value be then if everybody knew about it?

Given the term remaining on his contrract? Borderline nonexistent. Jenner is seen as useful partly because he keeps on keeping on despite such issues; there is no practical "trade him before injuries catch up with him" scenario here. If he was towards the end of his contract and we were looking at having to potentially extend him, a rental-type scenario would be a viable discussion, but even then we wouldn't be getting great value back (just better than average because the lower conract means more potential suitors). The value of his contract is because folks expect (not unreasonably) that he'll keep playing through it and thus overperforming its value; building in an assumption that he's not going to be able tanks that value considerably as you can't overperform when on LTIR.

Just because it's improbable doesn't mean it's absurd to have these kind of exercises, especially at this time of the year. My goal here is just to learn what people think his value would be and which teams could be interested in this hypothetical scenario.

As a general rule, hypotheticals generally have to be at least marginally plausible to be useful and/or interesting to discuss.

 

[tunnelvision]

Borderline nonexistent.

Thanks for answering.

As a general rule, hypotheticals generally have to be at least marginally plausible to be useful and/or interesting to discuss.

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

It's a little funny how this is mostly just CBJ fans fighting amongst themselves (including the OP if folks don't know).

It's a little disappointing the list of potential suitors so far is just a couple of teams and we're on page 2...

 

[Viqsi]

I guess we'll agree to disagree on this.

As an illustrative alternative, go start up a thread about the value of McDavid if he hypothetically demands a trade and see how that goes.

 

[OG Eberle]

At least this is going marginally better than the dude who thought Jenner was a "negative asset" who CBJ had to retain on to give him value

 

[tunnelvision]

As an illustrative alternative, go start up a thread about the value of McDavid if he hypothetically demands a trade and see how that goes.

I'm pretty sure there would be some who didn't find it completely useless and uninteresting to discuss. It's at least theoretically possible, and even if it wasn't, it wouldn't necessarily stop people talking about it.

How many hypothetical question-based threads have you seen on HF such as "If Gretzky played in the same era as Crosby, who would be a better player?". I mean, we don't seem to have any way of knowing the ultimate answer to those type of questions yet they keep appearing year after year. I personally don't see the appeal to engage in those discussions but at the same I don't need to go tell people you're wasting your time.

 

[66-30-33]

He would be dope on the Penguins, but we probably don’t have the assets.

 

[Viqsi]

I'm pretty sure there would be some who didn't find it completely useless and uninteresting to discuss. It's at least theoretically possible, and even if it wasn't, it wouldn't necessarily stop people talking about it.

I used to help moderate this subforum. Your perspective on how it would go is at best astonishingly naive.

How many hypothetical question-based threads have you seen on HF such as "If Gretzky played in the same era as Crosby, who would be a better player?".

Folks react differently when you're talking about taking away players that are a big part of their team.

 

[StewieP19]

Columbus will not be as bad than last year.
They don't have a bad team but a middle team.
For me they will Battle for a playoff spots.
They need leadership of Jenner so they need to keep him

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

The amount of TOI he gets, you would think he'd have hit the 50pt mark once in his career. He's come close a couple times.

I get why most CBJ fans have metaphorically kidnapped the guy and will never let him leave:
the contract, the C and production of goals as well

 

[Ianturnedbull]

well if you ask me...

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

I hate to be that guy but I don't think Jenner adds a whole lot. I don't know if he was injured this year or what but he looked as slow as ROR out there. I think the BJs would be very smart to exact a high price from some hopeful team this TDL, I just hope it's not mine.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

I think that first precondition is met by November.

 

[stevo61]

The amount of TOI he gets, you would think he'd have hit the 50pt mark once in his career. He's come close a couple times.

I get why most CBJ fans have metaphorically kidnapped the guy and will never let him leave:
the contract, the C and production of goals as well

Thats where injuries come in. He obviously would have hit 50 the last couple years if he wasnt shut down

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Thats where injuries come in. He obviously would have hit 50 the last couple years if he wasnt shut down

Didn't realize he was so injury prone. I'm taking back the extra fifth rounder.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Colorado if salary works maybe interested

Colorado trading with Columbus? Doubtful.

 

[Viqsi]

Colorado trading with Columbus? Doubtful.

I know; it's so unlike Colorado to want to have anything to do with Columbus or Blue Jackets players.

 

[ManofSteel55]

It's a little funny how this is mostly just CBJ fans fighting amongst themselves (including the OP if folks don't know).

It's a little disappointing the list of potential suitors so far is just a couple of teams and we're on page 2...

Part of that might be related to the sharp negativity that CBJ fans have met most previous "We want Jenner" discussions with. Or the fact that he is 30, and obviously on HF, that means he has one foot in the grave and nobody will want him, ha ha.

 

[Viqsi]

Part of that might be related to the sharp negativity that CBJ fans have met most previous "We want Jenner" discussions with. Or the fact that he is 30, and obviously on HF, that means he has one foot in the grave and nobody will want him, ha ha.

The recent fail proposal thread doesn't help either.

 

[Djp]

As an illustrative alternative, go start up a thread about the value of McDavid if he hypothetically demands a trade and see how that goes.

mcdavid would get closed before page 2

Part of that might be related to the sharp negativity that CBJ fans have met most previous "We want Jenner" discussions with. Or the fact that he is 30, and obviously on HF, that means he has one foot in the grave and nobody will want him, ha ha.

Without getting in detailed survival analysis….

the probability of players who sign a UFA contract retaining their cap hit in value is low for those 30+. Without factoring in injury issues.

 

[Viqsi]

mcdavid would get closed before page 2

That was kind of my point.