Jeff Petry

[lamp9post]

We will be Boston if we keep Petry at 5-6 millions fpr 7 years. One of Boston's problem is they paid way too much for guys that are not elite. Lucic 6 millions. Krejci 7 millions.

If Petry is willing to sign at 4+ something then fine. But at 5 he can start looking imo. That's Markov salary ...

Markov's contract is over in 2 years and there is no guarantee that Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn, FA signing will be able to come close to replacing him. Not saying that Petry can, but at least he can anchor a second pairing. You know what you have with Petry - he's an upgrade in the short term and provides stability in the long term for when Markov retires. I'd be willing to sign him for significant term (6-7 years) if it means a reasonable cap hit.

 

[jaffy27]

Petry replaces Gonchar at $4.6M cap hit, plus or minus $500k.

Galchenyuk raise covered by losing Allen.

Beaulieu not getting much raise, neither will Tinordi, if any.

Weise is signed for another season.

Weaver cap hit will be replaced by a $1M smaller one for Pateryn.

Cap going up $2M.

Petry can easily be re-signed, and if we can move Parenteau and Gilbert for low to mid picks, we can sign another star forward. If not, we will still have a great team.

Tomas Plekanec 5,000,000
Max Pacioretty 4,500,000
P-A Parenteau 4,000,000
Alex Galchenyuk 3,750,000
Brendn Gallagher 3,750,000
David Desharnais 3,500,000
Lars Eller 3,500,000
Brandon Prust 2,500,000
Dale Weise 1,025,000
Jacob De La Rose 925,000
Brian Flynn 800,000
D Smith-Pelly 800,000
Michael Bournival 700,000
Torrey Mitchell UFA
Manny Malhotra UFA

P.K. Subban 9,000,000
Andrei Markov 5,750,000
Jeffrey Petry 4,750,000
Alexei Emelin 4,100,000
Thomas Gilbert 2,800,000
Nathan Beaulieu 1,300,000
Jarred Tinordi 913,500
Greg Pateryn 562,500
Sergei Gonchar UFA
Bryan Allen UFA
Mike Weaver UFA

Carey J. Price 6,500,000
Dustin Tokarski 562,500

Total Cap Hits 70,988,500

Oops, didn't see your post, you explain it a lot better than I do lol
Anyways, agree 100%

 

[bsl]

I think it is essential to keep Petry for this team's success. He is such a solid player and he is getting better every game. If that means unloading Parenteau and Emelin so be it.

It's been a long time since the Habs have had such solid defense and it feels really nice.

I do not want to turn this into an anti DD thread but if DD is a no show in the PO MB has to consider trading him or even buying him out. No question. The top six must be improved next year, substantially, while Price is playing like this.

And yes, they will also need cash to sign Petry if possible.

DD is relatively cheap but they will need every penny to improve the top 6 unless Scherbak or Hudon make it which is doubtful.

DD is increasingly in the way of potentially useful signings, as is PAP. That is why buy outs happen if trades can't be made.

Both DD and PAP must go if they are a no show in the PO. I hope DD steps up, but big summer for Bergy if he does not. Big summer anyway. He has not proven anything yet.

 

[jaffy27]

Yeah but you got to be ready to sign Chucky after his bridge contract.

I know lot of people lost faith in him and think he will be a flop but the same people thought the same thing about Price and Subban. Galchenyuk might fail. But he his a very very solid prospect. He just turned 21 and in 2 years he might be a 60-70 points guy and might ask over 6 millions. You got to have the space to sign him.

Like i said if Petry is willing to sign for around 4.5 ok but 5.5 is too much for a guy like him.

Plekanec contract ends next year..5 million cap hit..I'm thinking the marriage between HABS and Plekanec ends...

 

[lamp9post]

Yeah but you got to be ready to sign Chucky after his bridge contract.

I know lot of people lost faith in him and think he will be a flop but the same people thought the same thing about Price and Subban. Galchenyuk might fail. But he his a very very solid prospect. He just turned 21 and in 2 years he might be a 60-70 points guy and might ask over 6 millions. You got to have the space to sign him.

Like i said if Petry is willing to sign for around 4.5 ok but 5.5 is too much for a guy like him.

True, but in 2 years, Markov's contract will also be off the books so there should be space available. In the above scenario, Galchenyuk will already be making $4.25M, so if he asks for $6M+, it will only be about a $2M raise which shouldn't be too hard to work around.

Edit: There might be trouble if Chucky goes full Subban in the next 2 years and starts winning awards and becoming one of the best players in the league and asks for $9M, but if that happens it will be a nice problem to have

 

[bsl]

Petry replaces Gonchar at $4.6M cap hit, plus or minus $500k.

Galchenyuk raise covered by losing Allen.

Beaulieu not getting much raise, neither will Tinordi, if any.

Weise is signed for another season.

Weaver cap hit will be replaced by a $1M smaller one for Pateryn.

Cap going up $2M.

Petry can easily be re-signed, and if we can move Parenteau and Gilbert for low to mid picks, we can sign another star forward. If not, we will still have a great team.

Tomas Plekanec 5,000,000
Max Pacioretty 4,500,000
P-A Parenteau 4,000,000
Alex Galchenyuk 3,750,000
Brendn Gallagher 3,750,000
David Desharnais 3,500,000
Lars Eller 3,500,000
Brandon Prust 2,500,000
Dale Weise 1,025,000
Jacob De La Rose 925,000
Brian Flynn 800,000
D Smith-Pelly 800,000
Michael Bournival 700,000
Torrey Mitchell UFA
Manny Malhotra UFA

P.K. Subban 9,000,000
Andrei Markov 5,750,000
Jeffrey Petry 4,750,000
Alexei Emelin 4,100,000
Thomas Gilbert 2,800,000
Nathan Beaulieu 1,300,000
Jarred Tinordi 913,500
Greg Pateryn 562,500
Sergei Gonchar UFA
Bryan Allen UFA
Mike Weaver UFA

Carey J. Price 6,500,000
Dustin Tokarski 562,500

Total Cap Hits 70,988,500

Habs top six is terrible. Where is the money for at least one high end top six UFA? And if you think MB is keeping both DD and PAP, don't think so.

 

[jaffy27]

Habs top six is terrible. Where is the money for at least one high end top six UFA? And if you think MB is keeping both DD and PAP, don't think so.

Well you answered your own question...one of Parenteau or Desharnais is going plus you'd have to add Eller if you want anything of value plus a pick and prospect of course. So minimum you have 7 million coming off the books, it's doable.

 

[bsl]

Plekanec contract ends next year..5 million cap hit..I'm thinking the marriage between HABS and Plekanec ends...

MB should have started looking for a no 2C to replace him this year. I hope he deals for one this summer. At the same time I think they should at least look at dealing Pleks this summer for help at Wing or in a package for a younger no 2C.

Problem is Eller did not step up this year, so they will have to look outside for the top 2C. Not one good potential top 1 or 2 C in the system.

I don't want Pleks re-signed for 4 years at age 34. No way. Not in this NHL, and not with Eller and DLR available at 3C/4C.

 

[bsl]

Well you answered your own question...one of Parenteau or Desharnais is going plus you'd have to add Eller if you want anything of value plus a pick and prospect of course. So minimum you have 7 million coming off the books, it's doable.

I'm talking UFA, not trade. And the UFA will be have to be 6 MILL range or more. And Petry will have to be signed, or another similar D found and signed.

I think if they **** the bed in PO, in order to save enough money, both DD and PAP will have to go, and not for return salary. MB has to go big time this summer. No more chipping at the edges.

You can't have useless players blocking spots on a serious contender. Especially in the top six FFS. I don't think everyone realizes this yet. They don't have to be stars, but they have to be effective. They have to contribute.To Goal Scoring. Mostly, they have to be consistent. And they should be big enough to take and give PO hits also.

I'm gonna play a card I never play, because I know it annoys younger guys here: I watched Habs live in the seventies, and every single player on that roster, every year, was extremely useful and perfectly suited to their role. There were no wasted roster spots, ever. I think fans now just are not used to that, as Habs have not contended for a long time.

If Eller kills it in PO, he will not go anywhere, as Pleks might get dealt if a good deal comes along.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Plekanec contract ends next year..5 million cap hit..I'm thinking the marriage between HABS and Plekanec ends...

It would be collossally stupid to lose the teams' best center.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

MB should have started looking for a no 2C to replace him this year. I hope he deals for one this summer. At the same time I think they should at least look at dealing Pleks this summer for help at Wing or in a package for a younger no 2C.

Problem is Eller did not step up this year, so they will have to look outside for the top 2C. Not one good potential top 1 or 2 C in the system.

I don't want Pleks re-signed for 4 years at age 34. No way. Not in this NHL, and not with Eller and DLR available at 3C/4C.

Habs just extended Markov for 3 years at 35.

Plekanec is just about as durable of a player as you'll find, and with his smart 2 way game there's no reason to think he can't perform well late into his 30's.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

A Plekanec trade doesn't even make sense.

No team is going to trade a solid 2 way 25+ goal scoring winger with size in his 20's for him.

They could maybe get a nice prospect and a pick, but what does that do for them overall?

Plekanec is the teams' best center, and he's the perfect guy to use moving forward with a young guy in Galchenyuk (hopefully) making the move to offensive line center.

 

[bsl]

Habs just extended Markov for 3 years at 35.

Plekanec is just about as durable of a player as you'll find, and with his smart 2 way game there's no reason to think he can't perform well late into his 30's.

I think we have debated this before. Pleks is one player that might be worth the risk, I agree. I wish MB and to some extent, Gauthier and Timmins, had not put the team in a position where they had to take this risk.

In hindsight, it is obvious that they thought Eller was Pleks replacement. It should have been clear last year that Eller does not have the offense in him, and MB could have taken action.

Finding a no 2C is almost impossible, and I don't know why they have waited this long. Or did MB seriously think DD was that player? My god.

It's late here. Another time..And note I said they should look at it, not do it. If they get a stupid offer...

 

[HabsDieHard*]

Plekanec IS a number 2 center, and a damn good one at that.

It isn't a lack of a #2 center that is holding the Habs back. It's the ineffective hack they use as the "first line center".

I don't believe for a second they viewed Eller as Plekanecs' replacement.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

I think the smartest thing to do here would be (three year plan):
Sign Petry to a 5 year deal @ 5M a year (400K increase on Gonchar's contract).
Buyout PAP (would count for 1.3333 for the next two seasons IIRC) and replace him from within with Hudon.
Try to deal DD for a pick.
Sign Galchenyuk to a bridge deal: 2 years at a 3.5M AAV (mostly takes PAP's salary).
Trade Tinordi for a Brett Connolly type of player... Jaskin? Or a player like Andrew Shaw?

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Hudon - Plekanec - Scherbak
Weise - Eller - Shaw
Prust - DLR - DSP
Flinn - Ryan Carter

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Petry
Beaulieu - Pateryn
Gilbert

As pointed out by others, Plekanec and Markov's contracts have one and two years left respectively. There are some interesting names available after next season (Ladd, Kopitar, ROR up front and Yandle, Seabrook, Hamhuis, Byfuglien, Giordano) to potentially replace Markov (although Giordano/Hamhuis/Yandle are the only lefties and I don't see Gio testing the market).

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think we have debated this before. Pleks is one player that might be worth the risk, I agree. I wish MB and to some extent, Gauthier and Timmins, had not put the team in a position where they had to take this risk.

In hindsight, it is obvious that they thought Eller was Pleks replacement. It should have been clear last year that Eller does not have the offense in him, and MB could have taken action.

Finding a no 2C is almost impossible, and I don't know why they have waited this long. Or did MB seriously think DD was that player? My god.

It's late here. Another time..And note I said they should look at it, not do it. If they get a stupid offer...

Galchenyuk becomes the other top 2 center as McCarron and Scherbak start to make their mark on the club, adding significantly to the winger scoring ranks.

Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Scherbak-Plekanec-McCarron
Prust-Eller-DSP
Bournival-DeLaRose-Weise

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I think the smartest thing to do here would be (three year plan):
Sign Petry to a 5 year deal @ 5M a year (400K increase on Gonchar's contract).
Buyout PAP (would count for 1.3333 for the next two seasons IIRC) and replace him from within with Hudon.
Try to deal DD for a pick.
Sign Galchenyuk to a bridge deal: 2 years at a 3.5M AAV (mostly takes PAP's salary).
Trade Tinordi for a Brett Connolly type of player... Jaskin? Or a player like Andrew Shaw?

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher
Hudon - Plekanec - Scherbak
Weise - Eller - Shaw
Prust - DLR - DSP
Flinn - Ryan Carter

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Petry
Beaulieu - Pateryn
Gilbert

As pointed out by others, Plekanec and Markov's contracts have one and two years left respectively. There are some interesting names available after next season (Ladd, Kopitar, ROR up front and Yandle, Seabrook, Hamhuis, Byfuglien, Giordano) to potentially replace Markov (although only Giordano/Hamhuis/Yandle are the only lefties and I don't see Gio testing the market).

Trading Parenteau is foolish.

He already extended the Briere mistake by another season in trading for Parenteau.

If Parenteau is awful next year they can waive him.

I'd rather have a 3 million dead weight cap hit for 2015/2016 and him in the minors.

Because when you factor in the price tag to find a replacement on the roster, unless it's a league minimum, it's costing around 2 million dollars next year to "replace" Parenteau, and they need to do the same thing the next year as well.

If the cap space is too tight with Petrys' contract than deal Gilbert for a 4th round pick. Having buy outs on the book, even for just 2 seasons, is pointless.

Quite frankly, considreing the lack of quality forwards available in UFA, and the ability to retain salary, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find someone willing to take a flyer on Parenteau for a year, or part of a year.

And I'd rather just keep Tinordi and use him as cheap bottom pairing/7th d-man depth and see what he turns into.

 

[lamp9post]

Habs just extended Markov for 3 years at 35.

Plekanec is just about as durable of a player as you'll find, and with his smart 2 way game there's no reason to think he can't perform well late into his 30's.

I think there is a difference between D-men and forwards in this regard. D-men, especially cerebral, well positioned ones like Markov tend to age well since they are not overly reliant on speed. Forwards however tend to decline pretty sharply as they approach their mid-30's. Plekanec is a smart, durable player, and I believe his career can last into his late 30's, but the question is at what price? If his speed continues to diminish and his scoring dries up he can still be an effective 3rd liner and penalty killer but he won't be worth what he's being paid now.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Trading Parenteau is foolish.

He already extended the Briere mistake by another season in trading for Parenteau.

If Parenteau is awful next year they can waive him.

I'd rather have a 3 million dead weight cap hit for 2015/2016 and him in the minors.

Because when you factor in the price tag to find a replacement on the roster, unless it's a league minimum, it's costing around 2 million dollars next year to "replace" Parenteau, and they need to do the same thing the next year as well.

If the cap space is too tight with Petrys' contract than deal Gilbert for a 4th round pick. Having buy outs on the book, even for just 2 seasons, is pointless.

Quite frankly, considreing the lack of quality forwards available in UFA, and the ability to retain salary, I find it hard to believe they couldn't find someone willing to take a flyer on Parenteau for a year, or part of a year.

And I'd rather just keep Tinordi and use him as cheap bottom pairing/7th d-man depth and see what he turns into.

With Galchenyuk's contract that I proposed and Hudon's current ELC. This buyout would have no impact on the current team. I'm pretty confident that Hudon can't be any worse than PAP right now and at a fraction of the cost. I don't think there's a market for PAP and unless you can trade him for like a 4th round pick at 50% salary retention, I don't see the risk of buying him out to get rid of his useless ass.

As for Tinordi, I'd rather trade him while he still has value BUT I wouldn't deal him within the conference because it could potentially bite us in the ass. I like Tinordi but the clock is ticking for him and two players have surpassed him in the depth chart this season

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I think there is a difference between D-men and forwards in this regard. D-men, especially cerebral, well positioned ones like Markov tend to age well since they are not overly reliant on speed. Forwards however tend to decline pretty sharply as they approach their mid-30's. Plekanec is a smart, durable player, and I believe his career can last into his late 30's, but the question is at what price? If his speed continues to diminish and his scoring dries up he can still be an effective 3rd liner and penalty killer but he won't be worth what he's being paid now.

Actually if you look aroudn the league at what UFA centers have gotten in recent years, even if his scoring does decrease and he's closer to a 3rd liner than a 2nd liner, no real reason to believe his 5 million price tag will be out of line.

Markov had serious injury concerns and was a year older.

My guess is Plekaenc is re-signed this Summer actually, he's too valuable to this team to worry about if he'll be worth 5 million or 4 million in 2018.

 

[jaffy27]

MB should have started looking for a no 2C to replace him this year. I hope he deals for one this summer. At the same time I think they should at least look at dealing Pleks this summer for help at Wing or in a package for a younger no 2C.

Problem is Eller did not step up this year, so they will have to look outside for the top 2C. Not one good potential top 1 or 2 C in the system.

I don't want Pleks re-signed for 4 years at age 34. No way. Not in this NHL, and not with Eller and DLR available at 3C/4C.

I agree...time for new blood. I like Pleks and what he brings, but instead of losing him to free agency, be nice to package him with other assets for top center or winger, this would be Bergevin's big trade

 

[HabsDieHard*]

With Galchenyuk's contract that I proposed and Hudon's current ELC. This buyout would have no impact on the current team. I'm pretty confident that Hudon can't be any worse than PAP right now and at a fraction of the cost. I don't think there's a market for PAP and unless you can trade him for like a 4th round pick at 50% salary retention, I don't see the risk of buying him out to get rid of his useless ass.

As for Tinordi, I'd rather trade him while he still has value BUT I wouldn't deal him within the conference because it could potentially bite us in the ass. I like Tinordi but the clock is ticking for him and two players have surpassed him in the depth chart this season

Galchenyuk at 3.5+Unproven NHL'er at 600K+1.333 buy out?

Parenteau is still just a season removed from playing at a (basically) 50 point 20 goal pace.

The Breire signing was a mistake, trading him for Parenteau was as well, there's no reason to compound that and turn what should have been a 2 year committment for Briere ending this Summer into a 4 year committment (even if the buy out price is well under 4 million).

And frankly, trading him at 50% salary retained only adds 700K on the cap hit or so versus buying him out, and if Parenteau is being offered around at 2 million for just one season how does the team not find a taker?

Hell, Arizona could have issues getting to the floor, maybe they want him at his full 4 for a season.

Buying him out would be a mistake to fix a mistake he made, which was a mistake he made in an attempt to fix another mistake.

 

[HabsDieHard*]

I agree...time for new blood. I like Pleks and what he brings, but instead of losing him to free agency, be nice to package him with other assets for top center or winger, this would be Bergevin's big trade

Top centers and top wingers aren't available in trades unless you're making an absurd over payment or it's a guy with serious question marks, either about his overall play, or long term issues.

As well, I think he has a partial no trade clause.

His value to the team is significantly higher than his value in any trade, and unless we're talking about a Plekanec, Scherbak, Beaulieu, 1st round pick (or something similar) package I don't see them acquiring a top winger.

A top center is just out of the question. If that's what you're after you can look to add in Galchenyuk to the equation.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Galchenyuk at 3.5+Unproven NHL'er at 600K+1.333 buy out?

Parenteau is still just a season removed from playing at a (basically) 50 point 20 goal pace.

The Breire signing was a mistake, trading him for Parenteau was as well, there's no reason to compound that and turn what should have been a 2 year committment for Briere ending this Summer into a 4 year committment (even if the buy out price is well under 4 million).

And frankly, trading him at 50% salary retained only adds 700K on the cap hit or so versus buying him out, and if Parenteau is being offered around at 2 million for just one season how does the team not find a taker?

Hell, Arizona could have issues getting to the floor, maybe they want him at his full 4 for a season.

Buying him out would be a mistake to fix a mistake he made, which was a mistake he made in an attempt to fix another mistake.

Galchenyuk is already a superior player to PAP in every aspect of the game. And yes I take the unproven guy at 600K over PAP who's only quality is that he can produce with star forwards. I think there's a market for DD on a team like Arizona but I think it's a stretch to suggest that there's a market for both PAP and DD via the trade market. At the end of the day, we're a better team without Parenteau. He brings nothing to the table and given his idiotic response to Gaston Therrien's question, doesn't seem like a good teammate (add that to the rumors of him clashing with Roy last year).

 

[Marc-E-]

I'll keep Petry and try to upgrade top 6 by the addition of a big center à la Backes, Hanzal type of forward. Desharnais has to go. I keep Eller if I can.