Value of: Jared Spurgeon to the Leafs at the draft.

[Dr Jan Itor]

For the sake of doing something other than bickering, let's propose two different scenarios:

A.) Fenton and Spurgeon see eye to eye on an extension and have a handshake agreement on a $6.5m x 5 year deal that'll be signed on July 1st.

B.) Initial contract talks do not go well and Fenton suspects that he'll have to move Spurgeon. He'd like to do this earlier rather than later because he knows trade options after the draft will be more limited.

Let's assume Kyle Dubas is a wizard and knows exactly which of these is true. What would/should he offer in Scenario A? What would/should he offer in Scenario B?

Scenario A is 100% Nylander, and it's up to us to decide if we want to take the chance that last year isn't his new normal.

Scenario B is a mix and match of Kapanen/Liljegren/conditional 1st/2nd rounder/etc...

 

[93gilmour93]

Not derail, accelerate

sure.....

 

[93gilmour93]

There is nothing else to do with this topic but #%%# on it.

Well if people can't have a civil discussion then why come into the thread at all

 

[AKL]

Well if people can't have a civil discussion then why come into the thread at all

It’s funny, there are other people in this thread right now trying to have a civil discussion, and you only seem to want to converse with those that don’t. Practice what you preach.

 

[93gilmour93]

It’s funny, there are other people in this thread right now trying to have a civil discussion, and you only seem to want to converse with those that don’t. Practice what you preach.

Lol. Troll on AKL......

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Well if people can't have a civil discussion then why make the thread at all

Fixed it for you. Copy and paste for the next 5 times it gets made too.

 

[shortfuze]

So why didn't you elect to do that?

i was reading the thread but i definitely should have.

 

[Yackiberg8]

For the sake of doing something other than bickering, let's propose two different scenarios:

A.) Fenton and Spurgeon see eye to eye on an extension and have a handshake agreement on a $6.5m x 5 year deal that'll be signed on July 1st.

B.) Initial contract talks do not go well and Fenton suspects that he'll have to move Spurgeon. He'd like to do this earlier rather than later because he knows trade options after the draft will be more limited.

Let's assume Kyle Dubas is a wizard and knows exactly which of these is true. What would/should he offer in Scenario A? What would/should he offer in Scenario B?

I think if we’re looking at option B which is what I think Leaf fans are thinking about then it would be something like Liljegren and a 1st. It wouldn’t be Nylander.

 

[AKL]

Lol. Troll on AKL......

I’m serious. If you have any interest whatsoever in having a serious discussion that might actually go somewhere, answer this:

For the sake of doing something other than bickering, let's propose two different scenarios:

A.) Fenton and Spurgeon see eye to eye on an extension and have a handshake agreement on a $6.5m x 5 year deal that'll be signed on July 1st.

B.) Initial contract talks do not go well and Fenton suspects that he'll have to move Spurgeon. He'd like to do this earlier rather than later because he knows trade options after the draft will be more limited.

Let's assume Kyle Dubas is a wizard and knows exactly which of these is true. What would/should he offer in Scenario A? What would/should he offer in Scenario B?

Bazeek is never going to troll or try to demean or belittle you in anyway, so if you really do want to have an actual discussion, answer his question. Otherwise, quit virtue signaling.

 

[Deadly Dogma]

It’s funny, there are other people in this thread right now trying to have a civil discussion, and you only seem to want to converse with those that don’t. Practice what you preach.

What do you think Spurgeon is worth??
I personally have no interest in trading at this time. We need to focus on moving Zaits>looks like he may actually net a late pick, Marleau>may have to attach a late pick, Brown>get a 3rd that leaves enough room to go way high 11.6 on Marner.prob come in at 10.5, Kap and A.J 5 a piece>prob closer to 4 each. We bring up Rosen, Lilj, Bracco, Mikheyev. Still leaves enough room to sign Hainsey for 1x1 annndd go after Anton Stralman for a 5 a yr deal.

 

[Bazeek]

I think if we’re looking at option B which is what I think Leaf fans are thinking about then it would be something like Liljegren and a 1st. It wouldn’t be Nylander.

Minnesota would probably push for Kapanen rather than a defenseman there, though that might depend on what we get for Zucker.

 

[93gilmour93]

I’m serious. If you have any interest whatsoever in having a serious discussion that might actually go somewhere, answer this:



Bazeek is never going to troll or try to demean or belittle you in anyway, so if you really do want to have an actual discussion, answer his question. Otherwise, quit virtue signaling.

But why bring Matthews into a discussion if your serious about having one? To me that's not trying to have a conversation

 

[Vitto79]

Leafs dont have a 1st so why at the draft? its not like their later picks are that enticing

 

[AKL]

Lol. And to you for making mine...

Your point that I don’t care about trying to have a serious discussion? You’re right. These threads are a joke, and you’ve proven why.

You claim you want serious discussion, yet you refuse to engage with anyone other than me, who is clearly not trying to have a serious discussion. I showed you someone you can talk to and a post you could respond to if you wanted to have a serious discussion, and you won’t. You’re no better than I am, you just think you are for some reason. At least I’m not trying to hide my real intentions here.

 

[grN1g]

There you have it. No nylander no deal. We don't care what your perceived value of spurgeon is at 1 year left. We don't want the d prospect and a pick.

AKL is annoying but he's doing god's work here. Shut this down.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Minnesota would probably push for Kapanen rather than a defenseman there, though that might depend on what we get for Zucker.

Fair point, appreciate the quality responses. @AKL is embarrassing himself.

 

[AKL]

Fair point, appreciate the quality responses. @AKL is embarrassing himself.

When are you going to respond to the first part of his post?

 

[93gilmour93]

Your point that I don’t care about trying to have a serious discussion? You’re right. These threads are a joke, and you’ve proven why.

You claim you want serious discussion, yet you refuse to engage with anyone other than me, who is clearly not trying to have a serious discussion. I showed you someone you can talk to and a post you could respond to if you wanted to have a serious discussion, and you won’t. You’re no better than I am, you just think you are for some reason. At least I’m not trying to hide my real intentions here.

Well you've already said Matthews or bust and no to Marner so clearly you have no desire to talk seriously with anyone. What intensions do you think I have here? Lol

 

[57special]

There you have it. No nylander no deal. We don't care what you're perceived value of spurgeon is at 1 year left. We don't want the d prospect and a pick.

AKL is annoying but he's doing god's work here. Shut this down.

Delete.

 

[57special]

There you have it. No nylander no deal. We don't care what you're perceived value of spurgeon is at 1 year left. We don't want the d prospect and a pick.

AKL is annoying but he's doing god's work here. Shut this down.

Fenton was just on the local radio, mentioning that his main priority is to sign Spurge ASAP. He was effusive in his praise of him both as a player and a person, and said that both sides appear to want to get a deal done.

This echoes what has been said about Spurgeon in the past by Boudreau, who, when he first came to the Wild, said that the thing that surprised him most was how good Spurgeon was.

Bottom line is that he is not FS. If things change, then it would make more sense to have a thread about him. Not now.

 

[Yackiberg8]

When are you going to respond to the first part of his post?

Sorry bro, you don’t seem to be making much sense.

 

[grN1g]

Well you've already said Matthews or bust and no to Marner so clearly you have no desire to talk seriously with anyone. What intensions do you think I have here? Lol

To try and belittle someone about trolling and not taking the discussion seriously when you've only responded to said person..?

 

[Yackiberg8]

There you have it. No nylander no deal. We don't care what your perceived value of spurgeon is at 1 year left. We don't want the d prospect and a pick.

AKL is annoying but he's doing god's work here. Shut this down.

Is everything okay in Minnesota? You guys seem to be pretty upset over this discussion.

Seems awfully crazy to expect Nylander for 1 year of Spurgeon. Seems like you have a direct line to Fenton though so maybe you’re right.

 

[Spurgeon]

Lmao. So you trade another winger if you got Marner. It would cost Spurgeon++ to get a sniff of a Marner deal. He would instantly be Minnesota's best forward AINEC

And Spurgeon would instantly be Toronto's best defenseman.

Is everything okay in Minnesota? You guys seem to be pretty upset over this discussion.

Seems awfully crazy to expect Nylander for 1 year of Spurgeon. Seems like you have a direct line to Fenton though so maybe you’re right.

There's probably been about 20 different threads over the past 2-3 years about Toronto acquiring Spurgeon. It gets old after a while.

Nobody expects Nylander for 1 year of Spurgeon, but the Wild have no reason to value Spurgeon at 1 year when he is likely to re-sign here. So why would we take his 1-year rental value rather than just re-signing him and utilizing his full value, which is a Top 20 defenseman in the league.

 

[AKL]

Sorry bro, you don’t seem to be making much sense.

Is everything okay in Minnesota? You guys seem to be pretty upset over this discussion.

Seems awfully crazy to expect Nylander for 1 year of Spurgeon. Seems like you have a direct line to Fenton though so maybe you’re right.

When are you going to respond to scenario A of Bazeek’s post?