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SlapJack said:
That's your opinion, might be a few thinking the same your way.



Seems like this is all you're capable of and sound like the Karlsson haters from other teams who constantly highlight the miscues in an attempt to prove that he's actually terrible. If the Ottawa Senators organization wanted Jared Cowen to sit back and defer to Karlsson at all times, he'd be stapled to the bench after trying to break out on his own. But that's not what they want, they want him to develop as a player because that's what you do to succeed.
I would rather lose a game now and have a stronger team in the future than be mediocre forever.
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More importantly, if he always defered to Karlsson on the breakout, we'd become so predictable that Karlsson wouldn't be able to be as effective. Cowen jumping into the rush helps get pressure off Karlsson by forcing the opponents to respect it.
 
I like his self confidence in leading a rush. This guy believes in himself and yes, he makes mistakes. Only he and Phillips cannot make mistakes. Zero tolerance. Meanwhile EK makes a bonehead play in OT that should have been a penalty shot. No matter who you are or your role...dumb s dumb.

I want him to have a shot on the PP. Heavy, hard shot I am hoping at some point he'll get a chance.
 
Cowen is going to be something special once he has more experience and training under his belt.

I see it in his play. I wonder if he holds back on the physical play a little to make sure he's doing his defensive assignment properly. Once he has it down to second nature, he may let loose a little more nastiness...

My hope anyways...
 
I think Cowen is going to equal Chara in defense/physical play...

Or maybe a more mobile Mike Komisarek is a better comparison... Komisarek was a fantastic defenseman at a point in time
 
Defensemen like him takes years to reach their full potential. He shows flashes of the dominant defenseman he can become, just needs time.
 
LeTigre said:


Take note of where Cowen gets caught at 0:40. Also, note where the goal was scored; back door where the defenseman should be.

His 17 point pace while playing alongside Erik Karlsson (and his 76 point pace) does not scream 'two-way' defenseman to me. He needs to lock down his own end before thinking of doings things like jumping into the rush and trying to be the first man up carrying the puck into a neutral zone trap.
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LOL Greenings fault, nothing to do with Cowen nice try tho. Take note of Smith, he gets fairly upset at himself for the goal, he is the one that let his guy go past him to the net
 
LeTigre said:


Take note of where Cowen gets caught at 0:40. Also, note where the goal was scored; back door where the defenseman should be.

His 17 point pace while playing alongside Erik Karlsson (and his 76 point pace) does not scream 'two-way' defenseman to me. He needs to lock down his own end before thinking of doings things like jumping into the rush and trying to be the first man up carrying the puck into a neutral zone trap.
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You really don't seem to be looking at him objectively, pretty biased and seem looking for things to fault him.
 
Officer Farva said:
You really don't seem to be looking at him objectively, pretty biased and seem looking for things to fault him.
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I am critical, for sure. When watching the games, though, I'm the first guy to say 'nice, Cowen' out loud when he makes a difference. I've pointed out some of his successes in this thread too. I just see a lot of braindead play from him and see an underrepresentation of it on these boards compared to other Sens players that play the minutes he does. Spezza, Karlsson, Phillips all get shat on and dissected play by play, but most people shrug and say "Chara" when Cowen makes repeated mistakes.
 
LeTigre said:
I am critical, for sure. When watching the games, though, I'm the first guy to say 'nice, Cowen' out loud when he makes a difference. I've pointed out some of his successes in this thread too. I just see a lot of braindead play from him and see an underrepresentation of it on these boards compared to other Sens players that play the minutes he does. Spezza, Karlsson, Phillips all get shat on and dissected play by play, but most people shrug and say "Chara" when Cowen makes repeated mistakes.
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But the play you posted wasn't a Cowen mistake. Our system gives the d the green light to join the rush, he had coverage from smith, a bad pass from Greening I think caused the turnover and smith misplayed the partial 3 on 2.

There a mistakes that cowen makes, but that wasn't one of them.
 
Micklebot said:
But the play you posted wasn't a Cowen mistake. Our system gives the d the green light to join the rush, he had coverage from smith, a bad pass from Greening I think caused the turnover and smith misplayed the partial 3 on 2.

There a mistakes that cowen makes, but that wasn't one of them.
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So Cowen gets the pass from Greening, then what? He stickhandles through the stingiest defense in the league? He blows everyone away with his footspeed? I get that we activate our D, but it's circumstantial. Cowen had no end game there; St. Louis had that neutral zone on lock. No justifiable reason to swap positions with Smith.
 
If the coach says "Cowen swaps with Smith as they move up the ice" then it's Cowen's job to do so

He isn't going to stop mid-play, tell Smith that he's got no end game and let Smith (who himself is expecting Cowen to swap with him since that's what the coach wants) go instead of him
 
Cowen is not the kind of defenseman that will be known for his points. If he develops to the player most of us see him becoming he will become a guy that can shut down other teams star players. He could be the answer for pests that burn us all the time like Kessel, Crosby and Malkin. There is a reason why those guys have a hard time with Chara and not our team. Nothing would make this fanbase happier than to see the announcers saying the leafs have to keep Kessel away from Cowen like they do whenever Chara faces Kessel.
 
LeTigre said:
So Cowen gets the pass from Greening, then what? He stickhandles through the stingiest defense in the league? He blows everyone away with his footspeed? I get that we activate our D, but it's circumstantial. Cowen had no end game there; St. Louis had that neutral zone on lock. No justifiable reason to swap positions with Smith.
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It's hard for him to stickhandle through the stingiest defense in the league when the puck never made it to him. Maybe you should watch the play a little closer.

Greening skates the puck up ice along the boards, and gets pressured by Oshie just before reaching the Ottawa blue line, Berglund recognises that Greening is in trouble and jumps in to pick off the pass before it gets to Cowen (14 secs into the clip).

At this point the blues have a 2 on 2, but Greening is beaten back into the play by Oshie and the rest is history.

Assuming that you thought Cowen had the puck, stick handled around Oshie only to be stripped by Berglund, I can understand your frustration with him, fortunately (for Cowen) that's not what happened. The turnover was all on Greening and some blame can be placed on Smith for not making sure the pass didn't make it to Morrow.
 
cowen reminds me of a young Robinson.
When Robinson broke in i remember a few years where he really had a lot of trouble.
So give cowen some time, he's still very young for a defenceman
 
Micklebot said:
To be fair, he's third on the team among Dmen in ES production and only gets 9 sec a game of PP time. On a per game basis, his ES production is quite similar to Wiercioch's and Ceci's. I'm quite sure if we moved him into Phillips spot on the PP (1:46/game) he could get of a few big clappers at the net and put up a few pts off the rebounds if nothing else.

He'll likely never be a 40pts dman, but I can see him puting up high 20s, or low to mid 30's if given some PP time.
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There's way more to being a good PP point man than big slapshots, Cowen has basically no short area quickness, is terrible handling the puck in traffic, and doesn't make great passes. He would be awful on the PP.
 
Man, watching Cowen sometimes, when he wants to play physical, the guy could throw a 250 pound guy to the ice like a ragdoll. He has such impeccable raw strength which he rarely uses.

As he gains more confidence and experience, look for him to be an unstoppable force physically.

With that being said, I question his IQ and its ability to prevent him from becoming a great defender but then again he has looked smarter at times so it's probably just incosistencies.
 
arglebargle said:
There's way more to being a good PP point man than big slapshots, Cowen has basically no short area quickness, is terrible handling the puck in traffic, and doesn't make great passes. He would be awful on the PP.
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Would he be a worse option than Phillips? Again, we're not going to be expecting Cowen to be the PP QB, he'd be there as a trigger man on the 2nd unit to maybe open up more room for the playmakers.
 
nanuuq said:
i forgot that many here are under 30 in years.....
check out the Canadiens lineups from some time ago..
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Best d-man on one of the best defensive teams of all time.

To be honest, I don't see Cowen ever having even a fraction of Robinsons puck handling abilities.

In that vein, I really think Cowen should shorten his stick by an inch or two .... thing always just looks too damn long for him to handle the puck nicely.
 
Yeah, if people are judging Cowen by his points total, they're doing it wrong. The kid does have some puck moving ability and a nice shot, but he brings a lot more to the table. Five years down the road we'll be giggling about having the best 1st pairing in the league.
 
Micklebot said:
It's hard for him to stickhandle through the stingiest defense in the league when the puck never made it to him. Maybe you should watch the play a little closer.

Greening skates the puck up ice along the boards, and gets pressured by Oshie just before reaching the Ottawa blue line, Berglund recognises that Greening is in trouble and jumps in to pick off the pass before it gets to Cowen (14 secs into the clip).

At this point the blues have a 2 on 2, but Greening is beaten back into the play by Oshie and the rest is history.

Assuming that you thought Cowen had the puck, stick handled around Oshie only to be stripped by Berglund, I can understand your frustration with him, fortunately (for Cowen) that's not what happened. The turnover was all on Greening and some blame can be placed on Smith for not making sure the pass didn't make it to Morrow.
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I know that the puck never made it to Cowen. The post you referenced was a hypothetical; had the puck made it to Cowen, what was the end game? A simple dump and change? Why activate a defensive D for that?
 
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